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    Many years ago I built a speaker kit from the high-end speaker company, VMPS. I selected these particular speakers after reading rave reviews in some of the underground magzines. I can't remember the model #, but they stood about 6 ft. tall and weighed about 200 pounds each. They were very efficient, very loud, and (in my humble opinion), were some of the best sounding speakers I had ever heard. Up until that point, I had read about but not heard speakers with such a good soundstage or such good imaging, although that could have had a lot to do with my electronics. VMPS speakers still get rave reviews, but they are a little out of my price range. My question: is it possible to build large, great sounding speakers with excellent components (such as the VMPS), or am I required to spend the extra $$$$ to get such a speaker.

    Thanks.

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    Re: VMPS


    > Many years ago I built a speaker kit from
    > the high-end speaker company, VMPS. I
    > selected these particular speakers after
    > reading rave reviews in some of the
    > underground magzines. I can't remember the
    > model #, but they stood about 6 ft. tall and
    > weighed about 200 pounds each. They were
    > very efficient, very loud, and (in my humble
    > opinion), were some of the best sounding
    > speakers I had ever heard. Up until that
    > point, I had read about but not heard
    > speakers with such a good soundstage or such
    > good imaging, although that could have had a
    > lot to do with my electronics. VMPS speakers
    > still get rave reviews, but they are a
    > little out of my price range. My question:
    > is it possible to build large, great
    > sounding speakers with excellent components
    > (such as the VMPS), or am I required to
    > spend the extra $$$$ to get such a speaker.

    > Thanks.

    Anytime you hear "Large" and "Great sounding" in the same sentence, it is pronounced "Cha-Ching!"

    How large is large?
    Like "The Colossi" large?
    Don't listen to me - I have not sold any $150,000 speakers.

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    • #3
      Well, lemme see...


      If you want nice, fresh oats, you'll have to pay the going rate. If you'll settle for oats after they have been through the horse, you can get a better deal!

      My point is, good quality components are going to cost you. Do you have a budget in mind?

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      • #4
        Re: VMPS


        > Anytime you hear "Large" and
        > "Great sounding" in the same
        > sentence, it is pronounced
        > "Cha-Ching!"

        > How large is large?
        > Like "The Colossi" large?

        Obviously you have never heard this speaker or else you wouldn't have said that. Reminds me of the scene from "Ruthless People" when Judge Reinhold tries to sell this outrageous, loud speaker to a nerd and his pregnant wife. The idea of a speaker like that is to appeal to teenagers and rednecks. The VMPS speaker to which I was referring was loud, but also played very well a low volumes and made a hell of a HT front speaker. And as I said, it had a wonderful soundstage and great imaging. The reviewer at Stereophile Magazine agreed. And today, many years later, the current VMPS models are all award winners (the one I was looking at was the RM40).

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        • #5
          Re: Well, lemme see...


          > If you want nice, fresh oats, you'll have to
          > pay the going rate. If you'll settle for
          > oats after they have been through the horse,
          > you can get a better deal!

          > My point is, good quality components are
          > going to cost you. Do you have a budget in
          > mind?

          I was looking at the VMPS RM40, which list for about $4600/pair. I bet that they are worth every penny (all of the reviews agree), but I would like to find a comparable speaker for about half that. I can't help but believe that one could build a comparable speaker for about half. In fact, I feel that most speakers are grossly overpriced. Of course, I am ignorant as to the cost and complexity of many of today's top speakers. Thanks for the quick reply.

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          • #6
            Re: Well, lemme see...


            You could probly build those for around 1200 bucks if you do all the work. Ofcourse you'll need another grand for tools and alot of time.

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            • #7
              Re: Well, lemme see...


              > You could probly build those for around 1200
              > bucks if you do all the work. Ofcourse
              > you'll need another grand for tools and alot
              > of time.

              I am interested. The RM40's (RM stands for ribbon monitor in case you didn't know). $1000 for tools? I have a complete wood-working workshop. Please send details. Of course, if you could think of another similar speaker, I would be interested. Thank you.

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              • #8
                Re: VMPS


                Don't know why y'all are running this guy around. Seems like he's philosophically aligned with most around here and he's asking the right questions. Give him some credit for at least building a high end design in the past. Just because he might like a large design doesn't mean he is a knucklehead guys. Geez. ... and FWIW I kind of like a big tower myself.

                That said, there are a number of designs that might pique your interest. Are you set up for multi-amping or will you be running with a single channel per speaker?

                If you can biamp and actively cross over, you might want to take a look at Linkwitz Orions or possibly MonteK's interpretation of that design or his new RS one here: <A HREF="http://www.mfk-projects.com">http://www.mfk-projects.com</A>

                Another person in the community who has been doing very nice designs of late is Roman you can see his stuff here: <A HREF="http://www.rjbaudio.com/projects.html">http://www.rjbaudio.com/projects.html</A>

                As you seem interested in ribbons you might want to take a look at Zaph's page for his tests as well as his designs: <A HREF="http://www.zaphaudio.com">http://www.zaphaudio.com</A>

                Most people don't have or don't want to risk that kind of money in a homebuilt project. Also, most interest these days is in HT and includes the ubiquitous and dreaded Spousal Approval Factor. Therefore there are just fewer big high end designs being made.

                Don't be put off. Once you get a little further with what you have in mind, post up with your ideas and you will get help.

                Best of luck in your project.

                bb

                > Many years ago I built a speaker kit from
                > the high-end speaker company, VMPS. I
                > selected these particular speakers after
                > reading rave reviews in some of the
                > underground magzines. I can't remember the
                > model #, but they stood about 6 ft. tall and
                > weighed about 200 pounds each. They were
                > very efficient, very loud, and (in my humble
                > opinion), were some of the best sounding
                > speakers I had ever heard. Up until that
                > point, I had read about but not heard
                > speakers with such a good soundstage or such
                > good imaging, although that could have had a
                > lot to do with my electronics. VMPS speakers
                > still get rave reviews, but they are a
                > little out of my price range. My question:
                > is it possible to build large, great
                > sounding speakers with excellent components
                > (such as the VMPS), or am I required to
                > spend the extra $$$$ to get such a speaker.

                > Thanks.


                Since we cannot know all that there is to be known about anything, we ought to know a little about everything.
                - Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662)

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                • #9
                  Re: Well, lemme see... *PIC*




                  > I was looking at the VMPS RM40, which list
                  > for about $4600/pair. I bet that they are
                  > worth every penny (all of the reviews
                  > agree)

                  What good reviews. the first couple hits with Google got me negative reviews.
                  Here's a sample;
                  Simply put -- despite over 4 months of listening, positioning, tweaking, and even different amps, I could NEVER get the RM40's to sound "right".

                  They were never musical, in an effortless, natural way. I believe that, despite some rave reviews regarding the ribbons used in this design, they (the ribbons) still possess a prominent resonance, which adds an unwanted "peakiness" to the character of sound.

                  Yes, I did adjust, re-adjust, and adjust again, the tweeter and midrange level controls. Shelved down, the speakers sounded dull & lifeless, at the factory settings, they had the proper tonal balance, but then the "stridency" would rear it's ugly head.

                  This was especially noticable on the upper register of piano notes, clarinette, and some female vocal, but again, the OVERALL character of this speaker was just too bright & hot.
                  <A HREF="http://learn.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr...sid&zzDenf&4&5">http://learn.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr...sid&zzDenf&4&5</A>

                  Maybe a set of Maggie's paired up with a set of RS Subs???
                  A line array is also a way to go. They not only image well, but they also have Great Dynamics.

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                  • #10
                    Re: VMPS


                    > Don't know why y'all are running this guy
                    > around. Seems like he's philosophically
                    > aligned with most around here and he's
                    > asking the right questions. Give him some
                    > credit for at least building a high end
                    > design in the past. Just because he might
                    > like a large design doesn't mean he is a
                    > knucklehead guys. Geez. ... and FWIW I kind
                    > of like a big tower myself.

                    Mr. Bickle

                    > That said, there are a number of designs
                    > that might pique your interest. Are you set
                    > up for multi-amping or will you be running
                    > with a single channel per speaker?

                    > If you can biamp and actively cross over,
                    > you might want to take a look at Linkwitz
                    > Orions or possibly MonteK's interpretation
                    > of that design or his new RS one here:
                    > <A HREF="http://www.mfk-projects.com">http://www.mfk-projects.com</A> Another person
                    > in the community who has been doing very
                    > nice designs of late is Roman you can see
                    > his stuff here:
                    > <A HREF="http://www.rjbaudio.com/projects.html">http://www.rjbaudio.com/projects.html</A> As
                    > you seem interested in ribbons you might
                    > want to take a look at Zaph's page for his
                    > tests as well as his designs:
                    > <A HREF="http://www.zaphaudio.com">http://www.zaphaudio.com</A> Most people don't
                    > have or don't want to risk that kind of
                    > money in a homebuilt project. Also, most
                    > interest these days is in HT and includes
                    > the ubiquitous and dreaded Spousal Approval
                    > Factor. Therefore there are just fewer big
                    > high end designs being made.

                    > Don't be put off. Once you get a little
                    > further with what you have in mind, post up
                    > with your ideas and you will get help.

                    > Best of luck in your project.

                    > bb

                    Mr. Bickle
                    Thanks for the best response to my question. I am not attached to VMPS in any way nor am I insisting on ribbons. It is just that my first audiophile speakers were my VMPS towers many years ago, and I remember them fondly. As I mentioned earlier, they sounded great whether they were played very loud or very softly and had wonderful imaging and a great soundstage. If someone were to point me in the right direction, I would have no problems trying out another brand, but my ears are getting tired and I am afraid that I will make my big decision based on fatigue (sorta like my marriage, which didn't work out too well after 12 years).

                    I also wish to state that even though I consider myself a little more discernable listener than most of my friends (including my ex-wife), I am way below the expertise of most of you, especially the reviewer from Audiogon Mr. Jakubin mentioned. To answer your question, I could go single amp or biamp. My electronics are a little better than the mainstream but nothing in the class of Krell's or Mark Levinson's. I use Adcom.

                    I am new to this forum and to the idea of building speakers. I really don't want to create speakers from scratch, just use another person's basic design and perhaps improve on it a bit. Thanks for your help. After I do a little more research, I will let you know.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Well, lemme see...


                      If you've got a woodshop then you only need something to test speakers with. Then its a matter of reverse engineering the speakers. Personaly I'd do something a bit different with standard drivers. But if you want something very close to those I'm sure we could figure it out.

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                      • #12
                        Re: VMPS


                        Try selahaudio.com for nice kits. It's what I've been leaning toward for quite some time. The owner has always been great about answering my questions and I don't think anyone has ever said anything bad on this forum about his "big" speakers.

                        Good luck keep us posted.

                        Later,
                        Aaron

                        > Mr. Bickle

                        > Mr. Bickle
                        > Thanks for the best response to my question.
                        > I am not attached to VMPS in any way nor am
                        > I insisting on ribbons. It is just that my
                        > first audiophile speakers were my VMPS
                        > towers many years ago, and I remember them
                        > fondly. As I mentioned earlier, they sounded
                        > great whether they were played very loud or
                        > very softly and had wonderful imaging and a
                        > great soundstage. If someone were to point
                        > me in the right direction, I would have no
                        > problems trying out another brand, but my
                        > ears are getting tired and I am afraid that
                        > I will make my big decision based on fatigue
                        > (sorta like my marriage, which didn't work
                        > out too well after 12 years).

                        > I also wish to state that even though I
                        > consider myself a little more discernable
                        > listener than most of my friends (including
                        > my ex-wife), I am way below the expertise of
                        > most of you, especially the reviewer from
                        > Audiogon Mr. Jakubin mentioned. To answer
                        > your question, I could go single amp or
                        > biamp. My electronics are a little better
                        > than the mainstream but nothing in the class
                        > of Krell's or Mark Levinson's. I use Adcom.

                        > I am new to this forum and to the idea of
                        > building speakers. I really don't want to
                        > create speakers from scratch, just use
                        > another person's basic design and perhaps
                        > improve on it a bit. Thanks for your help.
                        > After I do a little more research, I will
                        > let you know.

                        Thanks,
                        Aaron

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                        • #13
                          Re: Great suggestion! *PIC*



                          Provided Link: Selah Audio


                          I'm a little late to the party but I'd strongly recommend any of the selah Audio designs. I've worked with Rick on as number of custom designs and they have all turned out superbly.

                          It seems that the poster is really looking for a proven kit design that provides exceptional sound quality at a price he can afford. Reading the thread, it seems he can build his own cabinets. So, here's my recommendation. Ricks new RS8 line array. It's based on (8) RS180 woofers and (8) Fountek NeoCD2.0 ribbons per side. IMHO, this is a killer design for the price.Check with Rick on prices but he had it listed a while back at $2600 for the complete kit. A real bargain for that quality of line array.

                          Below is a picture of my Omegarrays which is also a custom design by Rick. Awesome! :-)

                          HTH

                          Jim

                          > Try selahaudio.com for nice kits. It's what
                          > I've been leaning toward for quite some
                          > time. The owner has always been great about
                          > answering my questions and I don't think
                          > anyone has ever said anything bad on this
                          > forum about his "big" speakers.

                          > Good luck keep us posted.

                          > Later,
                          > Aaron

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                          • #14
                            Re: VMPS *PIC*



                            Provided Link: HTGuide


                            You may also find some of the work over in the DIY section of HTGuide to be up your alley.

                            Not much with ribbons unless you count some of the less published info about Thomas's dipoles (RD50 or RD75, line of leaf ribbons... don't remember all what's in there). But some very good large(r) speakers, many options.

                            C


                            diVine Audio

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                            • #15
                              Re: VMPS


                              > Obviously you have never heard this speaker
                              > or else you wouldn't have said that. Reminds
                              > me of the scene from "Ruthless
                              > People" when Judge Reinhold tries to
                              > sell this outrageous, loud speaker to a nerd
                              > and his pregnant wife. The idea of a speaker
                              > like that is to appeal to teenagers and
                              > rednecks. The VMPS speaker to which I was
                              > referring was loud, but also played very
                              > well a low volumes and made a hell of a HT
                              > front speaker. And as I said, it had a
                              > wonderful soundstage and great imaging. The
                              > reviewer at Stereophile Magazine agreed. And
                              > today, many years later, the current VMPS
                              > models are all award winners (the one I was
                              > looking at was the RM40).
                              Well, I have no idea where that came from, all I said was "ChaChing" cuz it's gonna cost ya.
                              Build the Colossi, they look fun.

                              Don't listen to me - I have not sold any $150,000 speakers.

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