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    Well not another TriTrix for me, as it's my first, but there are obviously quite a few in this forum. This is my second build ever. The first was the Ed Frias ar.com DIY design, which I built maybe a month ago. I can see what you all enjoy about this hobby, as it didn't take me long to jump in with #2, and I have #3, 4, 5, and 6 planned out already.

    Anyway, I am following the much-repeated advice to build an established design, and I went with PE's CNC TriTrix cabinets to move forward quickly. Assuming these work out, my plan is to use them to replace the front speakers in my 5.1 HT setup. After that, I'll work on sealed TriTrix center and rear speakers, followed by a worthy sub of some sort.

    The cabinets went together very quickly, and mostly without issue.

    I started by tapping in all of the hurricane nuts, with a dab of epoxy to keep them seated. (I also tested screws in each of them to make sure no epoxy squeezed into the threads.) From there, I glued the baffles to one side:



    From there, each of the other cabinet parts was glued in place, with each new piece referenced against the previous one:



    I continued adding pieces at a fairly leisurely pace over the course of a Saturday afternoon and evening. This was not intensive labor...I took many breaks for things like running my step-daughter around to get ready for prom, the obligatory photo session at The Date's house, dinner out, etc. In between, I removed clamps, clamped new pieces in place, and by the end of the evening my cabinets were in pretty decent shape:



    In the previous picture, it looks like the top of the left cabinet is angled, but it isn't. Just a little lens distortion.

    The next day I set up a make-shift painting area:



    Obviously I am not a pro, but this was sufficient to get some primer and black paint in place. At this early stage of the build, I just wanted to paint the driver cutouts and all of the interior that could be visible from the rear transmission line opening. Eventually my plan is to finish these cabinets with cherry veneer, so I wanted to get the interior painting out of the way long beforehand.

    My ultra-crappy paint job on the driver cutouts:



    They don't look this bad in person; I blame a too-heavy dose of flash from my camera for the picture above. However, I was NOT happy with the look of these cutouts. I used 2 coats of Zinsser shellac primer, which covered pretty well, followed by Valspar black lacquer in a spray can. It wasn't until I looked at it in the light that I realized I should have sanded these openings. (I had skipped that step, figuring no one would ever see this part of the speaker.) I also put the paint on way too thick, as evidenced by the runs that I lamely wiped with a t-shirt. I can't remember the last time I used a can of spray paint, so obviously I have room for improvement. But these things can be fixed....

    Here is what I did on the inside of the cabinets:



    What looks like a scratch in the center back of the left cabinet is just a reflection. These turned out pretty good, much better than the driver cutouts.

    From there, I started thinking about the crossover. Some of the builds I have seen in this forum have the crossover positioned on the 45 degree slope at the bottom rear of the transmission line path. I thought that was asking for trouble, as gravity would be working against me, so I decided to locate mine on the flat bottom of the transmission line path. I measured and determined that a 4"x5" crossover would fit very nicely, as long as it was slightly elevated (say, 1/2").

    I cut 2 pieces of 1/4" plywood to size and laid out my crossover on paper. For neatness, I decided to drill holes for each component lead and wire them on the underside (which wouldn't cause any problem with mounting as I had decided to elevate the crossovers anyway.)

    I didn't take any photos of the layout and drilling process, but this is what I ended up with:



    For wire, I used a short length of zip cord for attachment to the binding posts. The drivers will be connected using jacketed 18ga wire rated for in-wall use, which is the white wire visible in the photo. Here's a better view of a single crossover, complete with my little blobs of hot-melt glue:



    I remember learning, somewhere, that a tripod is inherently more stable than a 4-legged stool. I made three "feet" for each crossover by cutting a half-inch dowel into 1/2" lengths, which were glued to the underside of the crossover. This is how they look installed in the cabinet:



    If you look closely, you will see that there is a small circle of velcro between each crossover foot and the cabinet. This is so the crossovers can be removed for repairs after assembly. Velcro is not the strongest substance out there, but again, I have gravity on my side and it seems like this will hold.

    Once the crossovers were completed, I decided to go ahead and seal the cabinets:



    I had some trouble getting everything to line up, but nothing major. What worked for me was lining up the top edge, getting the upper end of the cabinet divider started, and then pounding it home little by little with a rubber mallet.

    I could have stuffed the cabinets before closing them up, and it appears many people do, but I decided to wait. There is ample room to stuff through the driver openings, and there is a lot of dust ahead (sanding, rounding over the vertical edges of the baffle, etc.). Without stuffing in the way, I can always shove a shopvac through the opening to clear out the insides. My plan is to finish the cabinets first, and then stuff them to taste.

    I started this project on Saturday 4/30/11, so these photos represent that weekend plus an evening or two last week. I started on some of the finishing work this weekend (Mother's day), but don't have the photos ready to post yet. They will be up as soon as I have a chance...

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    Re: Yet another TriTrix TL build...

    Lookin' good!
    You go your way, I'll go mine. I don't care if we get there on time.

    ~Pink Floyd

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    • #3
      Re: Yet another TriTrix TL build...

      i agree. nice write up.
      " To me, the soundstage presentation is more about phase and distortion and less about size. However, when you talk about bass extension, there's no replacement for displacement". Tyger23. 4.2015

      Quote Originally Posted by hongrn. Oct 2014
      Do you realize that being an American is like winning the biggest jackpot ever??

      http://www.midwestaudioclub.com/spot...owell-simpson/
      http://s413.photobucket.com/albums/pp216/arlis/

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      • #4
        Re: Yet another TriTrix TL build...

        Lovely crossovers. And you can easily stuff through the holes.

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        • #5
          Re: Yet another TriTrix TL build...

          Nice work & excellent documentation.
          Audiophiles listen to the equipment, not the music.

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          • #6
            Re: Yet another TriTrix TL build...

            Looking good so far. I just wanted to chime in about the one coil facing the other one. I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned. From what I've been told looking through the hole in the coil it shouldn't be facing another one. Maybe one of the crossover guru's will chime in.

            Dave
            http://www.pellegreneacoustics.com/

            Trench Seam Method for MDF
            https://picasaweb.google.com/101632266659473725850

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            • #7
              Re: Yet another TriTrix TL build...

              Originally posted by davepellegrene View Post
              Looking good so far. I just wanted to chime in about the one coil facing the other one. I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned. From what I've been told looking through the hole in the coil it shouldn't be facing another one. Maybe one of the crossover guru's will chime in.

              Dave
              I had always been told that as well, but with his spacing it might not matter.

              I also use lots of that in-wall speaker wire, it way over kill for size, but it keeps things neat in appearance. I have also been know to staple the wires to a inside wall of the cab, just to keep it tidy and easy to find.

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              • #8
                Re: Yet another TriTrix TL build...

                I've heard that too (about the coil orientation), and one of the regulars on this forum has a nice graphic to illustrate ideal positions. I've seen it posted when threads start down this path.

                In my case, I was going to end up with both coils very close to each other and some more complicated connections if I lined them up the other way (i.e., with the vertical coil turned 90 degrees from its current orientation. I opted for more separation and a less-than-ideal orientation. I didn't notice any ill effects from the (limited and very basic) testing I did. But I'm clearly no expert.

                I like the idea of tacking up the wire inside the cabinet. Thanks for the suggestion, and thanks for all of the feedback so far.

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                • #9
                  Re: Yet another TriTrix TL build...

                  I guess you don't have anything to worry about, if yours are working okay. But in case anyone is interested, this link will take you to a drawing of the graphic mentioned earlier.

                  Nice work, by the way. Great writeup too... I think you're going to love the Tritrixes...
                  Tritrix HT:http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=222519
                  Dayton 12" Subwoofer: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=222930
                  Overnight Sensations: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=223751
                  Cerberus sub: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...hlight=cerebus
                  Duellatis: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=224943
                  NTN's: http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=227902

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                  • #10
                    Re: Yet another TriTrix TL build...

                    Originally posted by Rob J. View Post
                    I took many breaks for things like running my step-daughter around to get ready for prom, the obligatory photo session at The Date's house, dinner out, etc.
                    Re-reading my original post, I get the feeling I should clarify this: my "dinner out" was with my wife and son. I did not do the creepy stalker thing and tag along for dinner with my step-daughter and her boyfriend. ;)

                    Originally posted by Soundslike View Post
                    I guess you don't have anything to worry about, if yours are working okay. But in case anyone is interested, this link will take you to a drawing of the graphic mentioned earlier.

                    Nice work, by the way. Great writeup too... I think you're going to love the Tritrixes...
                    Yes, that was the graphic I was remembering. I guess I chose a "problematic" configuration, but if I'm reading the chart correctly, it gets less problematic as you increase the distance between the coils. I'll keep my fingers crossed, as I'd rather not re-do the crossovers at this point unless it's necessary.

                    Soundslike, thanks for the compliment. Your highly-detailed build threads were a big part of my forum-lurking before I jumped in with my first build. In fact, your TriTrix HT thread was what got me thinking I could probably DIY something workable. You make it look easy, not that mine will approach your level of craftsmanship. I will take that as high praise.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Yet another TriTrix TL build...

                      Here is the next update.

                      Mother's day weekend was full of activity, but not so full that I couldn't get a little work done on this project. I started by rounding over the vertical edges of the baffle, using a 1/2" roundover bit in a hand-held router. I also sealed the cabinets with Zinsser sanding sealer. It took more than a half-quart of sealer, as the MDF edges really soaked it in. After that, I started the task of smoothing seams, filling nicks, etc. I used regular bondo for most of the work, and also a smoothing coat of joint compound. Most of the joint compound gets sanded off, so it doesn't cause a problem with bonding veneer (more on that later). Here's a photo of what it looked like with joint compound, before sanding (grainy phone photo):



                      During sanding:



                      And another shot; I tried to show bondo, joint compound, sealed MDF, and rounded edges all in the same photo:



                      After sanding it to my liking, I used blue 3M painter's tape to mask the rear transmission line opening. I had already primed it and put on 2 layers of black lacquer during the construction phase, so now it was time to put on a couple more layers of paint. I forgot to take a photo while the mask was in place, but this should give an idea of how it worked:



                      The white flecks in the picture are dust. This was all I could get done during Mother's day weekend.

                      Monday and Tuesday I had a little time in the evening, so I started on the veneering. I am using a paper-backed cherry veneer sold by Woodcraft, available from Amazon.com, and the iron-on method. I started with the bottoms of both cabinets, which went fine, and then thought about how to do the backs of the cabinets. Since the transmission line has a tapered opening, I knew it would not be possible to veneer over the opening and then trim it. I decided to cut a 6" x 21.25" rectangular opening out of my veneer before applying it, to save this hassle. This was not too hard to do with a combination square and a straightedge, but the skinny parts really wanted to curl. Here is one of the back pieces of veneer, glued and ready for attachment to the cabinet back:



                      Note that I used the cardboard box that the veneer shipped in as a work surface for applying glue to the long, narrow piece for the rear of the cabinet. My veneering work area looks something like this:



                      Once the glue dried (a must when using the iron-on method), I attached the backs and was surprised that it went as well as it did. It was a little tricky, as I did the backs all in one piece. The top edge and the upper third of the sides are only 3/4" wide around the transmission line opening, so the veneer had to be handled carefully to get it flat and straight. But it wasn't too bad. After trimming with a flush-trim bit, this is what I had:



                      In the previous photo, you can also see a small strip of veneer attached at the lip of the transmission line opening, which I forgot to mention. Here is a close-up view of the joint between the bottom and back veneers:



                      At this point, I was ready to do the sides and front, which are done in a single piece of veneer that wraps all the way around. Here was the set-up:





                      In progress:



                      The last speakers I built, the only pair prior to this one, were small 2-way monitors. These TriTrixes are quite a bit larger, and it was pretty cumbersome to maneuver the large sheet of veneer. I also encountered a little trouble with my glue, Titebond III, which seemed a little less responsive to the iron than the glue I used on my previous build (Heat Lock, sold by joewoodworker). I think, in retrospect, the Heat Lock was easier to use, but the Titebond worked fine. It was just slower to get everything adhered.

                      At the end of the evening tonight, I had finished veneering the front and sides of one cabinet. I went ahead and opened the driver cutouts, which was quick work with the router. Here are a couple of photos showing where I left off for the night:

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                      So far I'm pretty pleased, but there is more to come. I still have to veneer the top of this cabinet, and the other cabinet still needs back, sides, front, and top. After that, it's on to stuffing, testing, and finishing....

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                      • #12
                        Re: Yet another TriTrix TL build...

                        That speaker looks fabulous!!!
                        Statements: "They usually kill the desire to build anything else."

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                        • #13
                          Re: Yet another TriTrix TL build...

                          Thank you -- I like it, too.

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                          • #14
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                            Very nice,really doing a great job! I think you will enjoy the TriTrix, they were my first build and everyone that hears them cant believe how great they sound and that I actually built them. Only regret I have is painting them and not going with veneer but that may just change in the near future.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Yet another TriTrix TL build...

                              These are looking great. I just built a center channel based on the triune and I want to build these next. Question for those familiar. My goal is to build a speaker I will be using for a LONG time and will be a substitute for some Paradigm towers costing between $1500-2K. (that I cannot afford) Am I expecting too much?

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