super Statement or the Statement's Statement!

[r-carpenter]

I know I know. Presumptuous, pretentious thread title. Sorry.
So, here's the deal. A friend of mine(Alex) listened to the small statement on NY DIY. Loved it. Listened to my Paper Stone http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...d.php?t=218707 project. Loved it too. What to build what to build??? And Alex wants to build the ultimate sort of "the last build" "THE speaker" for himself.
So, I said, Alex, build "the Statements" Better bottom end response then paper stones, less drivers and so less $. An I want to have a pair playing in my shop! Fist of, an interesting direct comparison. Paper Stone, while similar concept speaker, has crossover point well in the most sensitive area (1400hz) unlike Statement with midwoofer mids. Both speakers are somewhat di polish with the Statement having open mid and Paper Stone having adjustable rear firing tweeter. And besides, if my design can stand up to the big boys( I have great deal of respect for Jim and Curt) ,,,, well I didn't do too bad then.
And so, because I am a cabinet maker and have an idea about how to throw veneer on the piece of MDf, I'd like to see as the ultimate version of Statement will come to live.
We will do a CLD cabinet with 3/4multilayerd ply sandwiched to the elastomer layer and MDF. All sides (don't want to think about lifting)
Our version is going to have rear firing port.
Veneer (so far) looks like Tropical Olive. Not sure if Alex wants to have same veneer running throughout the cabinet or do a different contrasting grain on the front baffle.
Finish, don't know yet. Most likely stain lacquer.
And so, that's the plan. Work will start in 2 weeks.

[DoubleTap]

Re: super Statement or the Statement's Statement!

Please no tropical olive. I did a pair of my Cirrus in tropical olive and hated it so much that I used a heat gun and stripped it all off ... looks like a 1970s' basement paneling. I gave away the rest of that bundle of veneer.

As far as the drivers and design, I sent you a PM. But if the goal is a final build, a true SOTA Reference tower, I'd start with nothing other than a RAAL ... the 140-15D Amorphous Core. You've used a lot of the Fountek ribbons I know, but the RAAL sound is nothing like the Fountek. In comparison, a Fountek sound gutless and delicate. The RAAL has real attack and dynamic snap, totally different ballgame.

For the bottom I'd suggest something with a passive radiator over porting. PR's just seem to give a more viceral feel, which is what can make deep bass so much more addictive.

Choosing a midrange and configuration of your mid or mids will be the hard part.

[greywarden]

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Yeah you could throw a AE passive on the back, they look really nice, too. Just have to figure out the tuning, but if you want an end-all speaker, you gotta put in the time for sure.

[r-carpenter]

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Guys, we are doing Statements. it's not "all out" my own build. I am working on a large line array myself. ;) It's a "Statement" build for a friend, who likes them, who likes Tropical Olive and wants to have the best "Statement" out there.
My own benefit in it is to have a reference level loudspeaker for comparison.
Now, Olive is different from Olive. As with any wood, variations of the grain, cuts and applications are... not infinite but very wide. Olive veneer that I like has a good deal of flaking (what's called "tiger stripe") and a nice contrast. On your relatively small Cirrus loudspeaker, the width and the scale of the grain pattern will not work but on the 55" tall Statement it may just buy a ticket. But again, to each his own. Not to say that Olive is better then other staff. It's just what we like for this one.

[Jim Holtz]

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I'm looking forward to following the build.

Jim

[mzisserson]

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QUOTE=DoubleTap;1738392]Please no tropical olive. I did a pair of my Cirrus in tropical olive and hated it so much that I used a heat gun and stripped it all off ... looks like a 1970s' basement paneling. I gave away the rest of that bundle of veneer.

As far as the drivers and design, I sent you a PM. But if the goal is a final build, a true SOTA Reference tower, I'd start with nothing other than a RAAL ... the 140-15D Amorphous Core. You've used a lot of the Fountek ribbons I know, but the RAAL sound is nothing like the Fountek. In comparison, a Fountek sound gutless and delicate. The RAAL has real attack and dynamic snap, totally different ballgame.

For the bottom I'd suggest something with a passive radiator over porting. PR's just seem to give a more viceral feel, which is what can make deep bass so much more addictive.

Choosing a midrange and configuration of your mid or mids will be the hard part.[/QUOTE]

Ok, we get it you like the RAAL's. Fanboy is not without reason. I will back you up on their sound. You hit it dead on. Some ribbons sound very 3-dollar-bill-is, while some take the attach and strenth of a cone speaker, and add the attributes that we love about the "delicate" ribbons. The RAAL strikes that balance VERY well. ATC makes some mean ribbons too. If you want to go all out, you are going to have to reach outside your comfort zone and select drivers that may, actually, be.... "exotic". :eek:;) I am looking forward to this build.

[r-carpenter]

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just to make it clear.
It's this Statement.

http://speakerdesignworks.com/Statements.html

I am not designing a speaker as a Statement.... we are just building THE Statement..;)
No modifications to the crossover will take place. Front Baffle will stay the same size. VB may be slightly compensated (thicker walls) by adding depth to the cabinet. I am not even going to measure the speaker unless there are problems and troubleshooting needs to take place.
That's the plan. :D

[DoubleTap]

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Sorry Roman, I misread your original ... thought you were trying to develop a new design, a Statement of your own.

Still, I think Tropical Olive is hideous :D

[r-carpenter]

Re: super Statement or the Statement's Statement!

Sorry Roman, I misread your original ... thought you were trying to develop a new design, a Statement of your own.

Still, I think Tropical Olive is hideous :D

Well then, I wouldn't call it "The Statement" now would I? :D
You are probably thinking about Olive that has kind of 2 dimensional grain and looks a bit like Calamander but green and not as much contrast. Yeah, that isn't pretty at all.
The one I am referring too, looks like figured Walnut. Something like that
http://www.veneeronline.com/bundles....No=WALAMR-1235 but with wider heavier flake. Anyhow. Work will start in 2 weeks and pictures will be posted. Stepa by Stepa as it was said by an old Italian shop owner, I use to work for.

[r-carpenter]

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work started. We decided to cross cut panels fist and then rip it. Everything is over sized at this point. MDF and multiply is cross cut to 75" so we can get a face and the top or bottom after it's laminated and veneered.

[r-carpenter]

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panels are ripped to a bit over 12". These are front and backs.

[r-carpenter]

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Rite Guard. Pre-Cut it to size. Good stuff!

[r-carpenter]

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one side of Rite Guard has adhesive coating. We will use contact cement to adhere a panel with the elastomer to another panel

[r-carpenter]

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oh yeah, that's me. ...... laminating panels.

[r-carpenter]

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pressure and heat. Vacuum press is evacuating whatever air was left. Simultaneously the panels are heated to about 160.