Not just a run of the mill 6" 2-way

[Pete Schumacher]

Just got back from DoubleTap's where we've been playing around with a Wavecor/RAAL 2-way. Got to try out both the paper and Nomex cones. Units are very close, but in the .38cf cabinet, the Nomex behaved just a little better in the 1KHz region (in the baffle bump/step).

If anyone has any doubts about the distortion levels of the RAAL, lose those doubts. We used Holm to gauge the THD, and it was well below 1% across the band from 100Hz on up. In the tweeter region, almost all the distortion is 2nd order, and high order stuff is in the noise. That RAAL has the smoothest response of just about any tweeter I've ever seen. We're crossing around 3200Hz and the hand-off from Wavecor to RAAL is smooooooth. And the left/right match was within a half dB across the band. Both drivers are very consistent.

Can't wait to bring these to a show. Great detail, superb imaging. For those in Dallas, you saw the "Breeze" on the display table as coming soon. Should be here very very soon.

At the end of the evening, we were looking for something else to test out, so Ryan grabbed the Beyma TPL150H he had on the shelf. It's a 102dB/W horn loaded ribbon. The response looked exactly like the manufacturer's plot . . . awesome!!! And the distortion levels were amplifier-like, hovering around .1% to 1KHz. When those are mated to the AE Lambda TD10, look out. Bookshelf speakers with 118dB capacity . . . Oh my.

[DoubleTap]

Re: Not just a run of the mill 6" 2-way

RAAL in the Breeze is the smaller 70-10D btw, not the bigger 70-20XR I use in the Cirrus. It's been a fun speaker to put together, something that performs WAY above it's cost. At $995/pair for a finished set, I recon there might even be some interest for it here.

Pete has become another RAAL fanatic! They have a way of making everything else sound boring ;)

[jakeb]

Re: Not just a run of the mill 6" 2-way

At 306 per RAAL ribbon + 120 for the Wavecor (from solen) + crossover parts + cabinet

How are you gonna make much money at 995pr???

Seems like an excellent value if the cabinet looks anything like the cirrus!!!

[Pete Schumacher]

Re: Not just a run of the mill 6" 2-way

At 306 per RAAL ribbon + 120 for the Wavecor (from solen) + crossover parts + cabinet

How are you gonna make much money at 995pr???

Seems like an excellent value if the cabinet looks anything like the cirrus!!!

It will be in a simple rectangular cabinet. Far too much labor involved in the Cirrus cabinet style to be able to offer the Breeze for $995.

But, if someone wanted to get the Breeze, build their own cabinet and transfer drivers and XO, that's a possibility too. I mean, once it's yours, it's yours.

One side note. I have to remind everyone that we actually had the woofer signal, at a few watts, driving the RAAL tweeter, before we realized we had it connected wrong. Even with that type of abuse, those ribbons played perfectly afterward. They're NOT your standard ribbon.

[donradick]

Re: Not just a run of the mill 6" 2-way

So Pete,

When are you going to redesign your Byzantium's to use the RAAL tweeter?
It's gotta match pretty good with that Scan mid you're using...

[Pete Schumacher]

Re: Not just a run of the mill 6" 2-way

So Pete,

When are you going to redesign your Byzantium's to use the RAAL tweeter?
It's gotta match pretty good with that Scan mid you're using...

Believe me, that's been going through my head a lot lately.

One key to the Byzantium is the 2nd order slopes and the slanted baffle. Not sure I can get the RAAL to play nice with those parameters, but it's not out of the question, especially if I push the XO point just a tad higher, which the Scan mid can certainly do. But it's the fact that they would be aiming up that would concern me the most. Horizontal dispersion is fantastic on the RAAL, but vertical, maybe not so much. It certainly merits investigation.

[Face]

Re: Not just a run of the mill 6" 2-way

Pete, this has your name written all over it: https://www.madisound.com/store/prod...oducts_id=8713

[Pete Schumacher]

Re: Not just a run of the mill 6" 2-way

Pete, this has your name written all over it: https://www.madisound.com/store/prod...oducts_id=8713

I'm a little more partial to the 6600 fabric dome. Awesome tweeters those air circs, and the only dome I'd consider using to replace the RS28.

I've heard the 6600 in Ryan's OB W22 with a custom 10" WG loading the 6600.

Remarkable sound, and about the only thing that comes close to rivaling the engaging quality of the RAAL.

[DoubleTap]

Re: Not just a run of the mill 6" 2-way

Pete, this has your name written all over it: https://www.madisound.com/store/prod...oducts_id=8713

Why? After living with the AirCirc and R29 Ring Radiator, I can't imagine that overpriced dome offering anything over the RAAL. Putting the AirCirc in a big waveguide helps make it a closer competition, but still prefer the RAAL.

[DoubleTap]

Re: Not just a run of the mill 6" 2-way

At 306 per RAAL ribbon + 120 for the Wavecor (from solen) + crossover parts + cabinet

How are you gonna make much money at 995pr???

Seems like an excellent value if the cabinet looks anything like the cirrus!!!

I hired some Pirates to hijack a cargo ship ... got a great deal on drivers ;)

[Face]

Re: Not just a run of the mill 6" 2-way

Why? After living with the AirCirc and R29 Ring Radiator, I can't imagine that overpriced dome offering anything over the RAAL. Putting the AirCirc in a big waveguide helps make it a closer competition, but still prefer the RAAL.

Not over the RAAL, but the closest drop in without any cabinet modifications and probably only minimal crossover changes.

[czag]

Re: Not just a run of the mill 6" 2-way

At 306 per RAAL ribbon + 120 for the Wavecor (from solen) + crossover parts + cabinet

How are you gonna make much money at 995pr???

Seems like an excellent value if the cabinet looks anything like the cirrus!!!

I would imagine he bought a large lot, say between 24 and 48, and received commercial pricing. Both of which lowers the cost considerably in most cases.

Either way, if the boxes are made of anything better than cardboard, it is a good value at $995/pr.

Chris

[DoubleTap]

Re: Not just a run of the mill 6" 2-way

Not over the RAAL, but the closest drop in without any cabinet modifications and probably only minimal crossover changes.

Gotcha ;)

I would like to hear that tweeter sometime. And while other Be tweeters don't necessarily have anything to do with the Scan's sound, they haven't really sounded any different than any other quality dome.

[greywarden]

Re: Not just a run of the mill 6" 2-way

Hmmm... I think I'd be interested in the for a G/pr. I'll be in the market for gear around the New Year... hint, hint...

[Pete Schumacher]

Re: Not just a run of the mill 6" 2-way

Hmmm... I think I'd be interested in the for a G/pr. I'll be in the market for gear around the New Year... hint, hint...

You'd be the northern most customer Ryan's had yet (I think). He's had one from northern Saskatchewan, and looks like another from near Hudson Bay. The guy from Saskatchewan actually drove down to pick up his pair of Cirrus.