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  • #16
    Re: Best new midwoofer?

    Will this be dethrone the relevator? Build quality looks right up there with the best. I always thought SB acoustics made some pretty bang for buck drivers but wonder why many of the most popular projects don't use their drivers..?

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    • #17
      Re: Best new midwoofer?

      Originally posted by Jeff B. View Post
      Except it's not made in China. It's made in Indonesia, if that's any difference.
      Oops. Forgot what SB stood for for a minute. My mistake.

      It is designed by the former Scanspeak engineers that designed the Revelator series.... if that makes any difference.[/QUOTE]
      That much, I knew.
      Isn't it about time we started answering rhetorical questions?

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      • #18
        Re: Best new midwoofer?

        My proficy was fulfilled. Now it's $287 everywhere.

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        • #19
          Re: Best new midwoofer?

          Originally posted by internova View Post
          My proficy was fulfilled. Now it's $287 everywhere.
          Turns the Scan 15W Revelator into a real bargain!!!! ;)

          The Wilson Sasha uses the Satori mid I believe . . . and it sounded really nice at RMAF.

          I'd like to hear it against one of the Wavecor 6" models. Those WF152 are as close to Revelator sounding as you could want from a driver priced half as much.
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          • #20
            Re: Best new midwoofer?

            Meniscus fixed their price...$287 :(

            -j

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            • #21
              Re: Best new midwoofer?

              Turns the Scan 15W Revelator into a real bargain!!!! ;)

              The Wilson Sasha uses the Satori mid I believe . . . and it sounded really nice at RMAF.

              I'd like to hear it against one of the Wavecor 6" models. Those WF152 are as close to Revelator sounding as you could want from a driver priced half as much.
              Except the Revelator 15W is less sensitive if that matters. I still don't like the 1.2K dip in the Satori. Where would you cross it hypethetically?

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              • #22
                Re: Best new midwoofer?

                Originally posted by internova View Post
                Except the Revelator 15W is less sensitive if that matters. I still don't like the 1.2K dip in the Satori. Where would you cross it hypethetically?
                The 4 Ohm version of the 15W is plenty sensitive.

                The dip in response won't be the same when placed on a baffle, and likely would be hard to hear anyway.

                I wouldn't cross it above 3000Hz, since it's a 6" woofer.
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                • #23
                  Re: Best new midwoofer?

                  The 4 Ohm version of the 15W is plenty sensitive.

                  The dip in response won't be the same when placed on a baffle, and likely would be hard to hear anyway.

                  I wouldn't cross it above 3000Hz, since it's a 6" woofer.
                  I do not consider that dip to be an issue and would ignore it entirely in crossover design.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Best new midwoofer?

                    compare the response curve to the SB midrange here:


                    http://www.sbacoustics.com/index.php...range-drivers/

                    which is about a fourth the price of the Satori. Interesting, huh?

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                    • #25
                      Re: Best new midwoofer?

                      Originally posted by internova View Post
                      Except the Revelator 15W is less sensitive if that matters.
                      That's because the 15W is also meant to maximize bass extension (especially with the K00 model). Hoffman's Iron Law strikes again!
                      Isn't it about time we started answering rhetorical questions?

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                      • #26
                        Re: Best new midwoofer?

                        Originally posted by Paul Carmody View Post
                        That's because the 15W is also meant to maximize bass extension (especially with the K00 model). Hoffman's Iron Law strikes again!
                        The Satori should be quite competitive with the Revelator in bass extension. It had a 29 Hz Fs right out of the box, arguably before break-in. It should reach very deep for a 6.5" driver, and has 12mm P-P Xmax too. I don't see a big advantage in the Revelator. Plus, I have found with a lot of drivers, like Seas Excel for example, they don't often measure anywhere near as low in Fs as advertised, even after significant break-in. This gives a real advantage to the SB in my opinion.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Best new midwoofer?

                          Originally posted by Jeff B. View Post
                          The Satori should be quite competitive with the Revelator in bass extension. It had a 29 Hz Fs right out of the box, arguably before break-in. It should reach very deep for a 6.5" driver, and has 12mm P-P Xmax too. I don't see a big advantage in the Revelator. Plus, I have found with a lot of drivers, like Seas Excel for example, they don't often measure anywhere near as low in Fs as advertised, even after significant break-in. This gives a real advantage to the SB in my opinion.
                          So it sounds good except the price tag. With the "special" from Meniscus at $187 gone, it has to beat all the expectation and far exceed them for Scan Rev, Illu, and Seas Excel. The MSRP says so. Now let's see whether the judge agrees. ;)

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                          • #28
                            Re: Best new midwoofer?

                            Originally posted by internova View Post
                            So it sounds good except the price tag. With the "special" from Meniscus at $187 gone, it has to beat all the expectation and far exceed them for Scan Rev, Illu, and Seas Excel. The MSRP says so. Now let's see whether the judge agrees. ;)
                            Yeah, I couldn't spend $300 on any midwoofer. I am currently working with a 15" sub driver that costs the same thing, and even though that makes more sense, it is still pretty high.
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                            • #29
                              Re: Best new midwoofer?

                              Originally posted by Jeff B. View Post
                              The Satori should be quite competitive with the Revelator in bass extension. It had a 29 Hz Fs right out of the box, arguably before break-in. It should reach very deep for a 6.5" driver, and has 12mm P-P Xmax too. I don't see a big advantage in the Revelator. Plus, I have found with a lot of drivers, like Seas Excel for example, they don't often measure anywhere near as low in Fs as advertised, even after significant break-in. This gives a real advantage to the SB in my opinion.
                              Is it competitive in a similar sized box though? I think that was Paul's point regarding Hoffman's Law. The Relevator has a Vas of 28 liters and the Satori is 48 liters. In a TL I'd say the Satori is a better tool, but a small 2-way the Relevator looks like a better answer, assuming the HD and resolution and blah blah blah are equal.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Best new midwoofer?

                                Originally posted by kmibb View Post
                                Is it competitive in a similar sized box though? I think that was Paul's point regarding Hoffman's Law. The Relevator has a Vas of 28 liters and the Satori is 48 liters. In a TL I'd say the Satori is a better tool, but a small 2-way the Relevator looks like a better answer, assuming the HD and resolution and blah blah blah are equal.

                                You're right, volume is a trade-off. I will post distortion plots a little later, along with a group of tweeters in the other thread too.
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