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  • #31
    Re: CBT36 Line Array has arrived!

    Originally posted by rickcraig View Post
    Yes, $300+ depending on what unit you like.
    A 2x4 miniDSP isn't adequate?
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    • #32
      Re: CBT36 Line Array has arrived!

      I noticed today that the CBT is listed as out of stock on the P-E website. Several people have obviously ordered their kits already.

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      • #33
        Re: CBT36 Line Array has arrived!

        Originally posted by Jim Griffin View Post
        I noticed today that the CBT is listed as out of stock on the P-E website. Several people have obviously ordered their kits already.
        :eek:
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        • #34
          Re: CBT36 Line Array has arrived!

          Originally posted by Steve Henry View Post
          Yes it does.
          No, it means something like two Crown XTi 2's, two Behringer iNukes, you could do a Carvin DCM2004L and a MiniDSP 2X4 Balanced. So looking anywhere from $700 to $1000.

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          • #35
            Re: CBT36 Line Array has arrived!

            Originally posted by Steve Henry View Post
            DEQ2486 on sale here for $228 shipped:
            http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...igital_EQ.html
            I don't believe the DEQ 2496 has a cross over function and is just two channels.

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            • #36
              Re: CBT36 Line Array has arrived!

              If you haven't reviewed the assembly instructions of the CBT yet, do so and most questions will be addressed. Marshall and Don did a great job in preparation of the document. It is an excellent treatment of the details and some insight to how the array works.

              Specific setup details are included for the DCX2496.

              http://www.parts-express.com/pedocs/...36k-manual.pdf

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              • #37
                Re: CBT36 Line Array has arrived!

                If any speaker was ever worth $2000... this is it.

                If it was a commercial offering I wouldn't be surprised to see it go for $20-$40K. Seriously.

                If I could buy it over here I'd start saving my pennies TODAY and get it on December or so. Those are my dream speakers!
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                • #38
                  Re: CBT36 Line Array has arrived!

                  Originally posted by Pallas View Post
                  A 2x4 miniDSP isn't adequate?
                  I'm guessing it would be but I've heard mixed feedback on those.

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                  • #39
                    Re: CBT36 Line Array has arrived!

                    Originally posted by rickcraig View Post
                    I'm guessing it would be but I've heard mixed feedback on those.
                    That's a cheap shot at a perfectly good product.
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                    • #40
                      Re: CBT36 Line Array has arrived!

                      Originally posted by Pallas View Post
                      That's a cheap shot at a perfectly good product.
                      No it's not. If he's heard mixed reviews, and relays that to the gang, how is that a cheap shot?

                      We've used the miniDSP, and were less than pleased with the overall sound compared to not running them and going to a passive XO. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with them, but they certainly merited removal from the system once we heard them. But, that's just our ears and personal preference.
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                      • #41
                        Re: CBT36 Line Array has arrived!

                        Originally posted by Pallas View Post
                        That's a cheap shot at a perfectly good product.
                        No cheap shot intended; in fact, I wish there were more lower cost DSP units available made expressly for home audio.

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                        • #42
                          Re: CBT36 Line Array has arrived!

                          No it's not. If he's heard mixed reviews, and relays that to the gang, how is that a cheap shot?

                          We've used the miniDSP, and were less than pleased with the overall sound compared to not running them and going to a passive XO. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with them, but they certainly merited removal from the system once we heard them. But, that's just our ears and personal preference.
                          I wonder if they would perform better just handling the woofer to midrange section in a 3way?

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                          • #43
                            Re: CBT36 Line Array has arrived!

                            Originally posted by Jim Griffin View Post
                            I noticed today that the CBT is listed as out of stock on the P-E website. Several people have obviously ordered their kits already.
                            ND91 woofers are out-of-stock but more will arrive soon.

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                            • #44
                              Re: CBT36 Line Array has arrived!

                              You think I could run these on a Lepai T-amp?

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                              • #45
                                Re: CBT36 Line Array has arrived!

                                No it's not. If he's heard mixed reviews, and relays that to the gang, how is that a cheap shot?
                                I jumped the gun at first.

                                We've used the miniDSP, and were less than pleased with the overall sound compared to not running them and going to a passive XO. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with them, but they certainly merited removal from the system once we heard them. But, that's just our ears and personal preference.
                                Same transfer function? If used properly, the only difference will be that the passive one will require more power for an equivalent SPL, due to losses.

                                And yes, I use and have a miniDSP, albeit currently only on subs (not mains, though that's certainly an option in the future). I've also seen enough measurements of it to know that it's perfectly fine.

                                Note that John K uses it fairly extensively as well. As does Bill Waslo.

                                Originally posted by rickcraig View Post
                                No cheap shot intended; in fact, I wish there were more lower cost DSP units available made expressly for home audio.
                                Fair enough. One thing about the miniDSP that is HIGHLY relevant to the instructions for this kit is that PE doesn't sell miniDSP's, but does sell an alternative in the Berry box. Nothing wrong with PE being self-interested enough to exclude mention of a part they don't sell, in favor of a part they do sell.
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                                "Based on my library and laboratory research, I have concluded, as have others, that the best measures of speaker quality are frequency response and dispersion pattern. I have not found any credible research showing that most of the differences we hear among loudspeakers cannot be explained by examining these two variables." -Alvin Foster, 22 BAS Speaker 2 (May, 1999)

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