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  • #46
    Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

    Erich, are all the new kits for wave guide speakers only? I recall browsing your site a while ago and seeing that there were upcomming kits from Zaph such as the SR71 etc. Are those still in the works?

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    • #47
      Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

      I currently have planned to build the OS center channel (having the cabinet made now) and then build two OS MTM's for surround speakers. I may also build some OS TM's for a computer desk setup in the future. When we get into a house I will come up with a plan for a econowave HT setup.

      Erich in the past talked about coming out with a Classix II kit, Tarkus, and some others, but I haven't seen them listed on the site yet. I did not know if Erich planned on doing these at some point or not. I would actually like to go with another pair of the Classix II's for my surrounds if Erich comes out with them. Otherwise I think I will go with the OS MTM's.

      Perhaps at some point I would like to build a pair of the smaller econowaves to get an idea of the sound and what they are capable of. I personally coming from a pro-sound background like the sound of a horn/waveguild driver. So it will be interesting to hear how these sound compared to the old JBL's I used for live sound for local rock bands back in the late 80's early 90's.

      Kevin
      Shaken, not stirred...

      Classix II
      OS MTM's
      Digger 8 sub
      Overnight Sensations Center Channel
      Sprite Build
      Wolf's PC Speakers
      Minions III with Voxel Sub

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      • #48
        Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

        jeff,
        will you have a higher end 8" ? i see mattg has one using a b&c , i would really like to see the 18 sound #8BM400 or Beyma #8p300Fe used . eighteen sound has a wg design using the #8BM400 with their small wg ,http://www.eighteensound.com/staticC...Sound_kit8.pdf , would really like to know what this driver is capable of .
        donc

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        • #49
          Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

          Originally posted by donc View Post
          jeff,
          will you have a higher end 8" ? i see mattg has one using a b&c , i would really like to see the 18 sound #8BM400 or Beyma #8p300Fe used . eighteen sound has a wg design using the #8BM400 with their small wg ,http://www.eighteensound.com/staticC...Sound_kit8.pdf , would really like to know what this driver is capable of .
          donc
          I really don't know, Don. As a designer you always want to work with the best drivers out there. However, when you make a kit that someone will sell you have to be careful of your price-point. Lesser expensive speakers that sound very good sell well, but it doesn't make much sense for Erich to make flat-pack cabinets and crosovers for a speaker design that very few people will buy. It's different if a design is openly posted and people can try it if they want, so you have to weigh all of this when you select the drivers.

          I have just completed the crossover design for the 8" two-way using the Eminence Beta 8-A and EOS waveguide, and I am very happy with how this speaker sounds. In some ways it is the best of the three I have done with these waveguides. It's less sensitive than the Tempest and doesn't go as deep as either 12" model, but it's midrange is excellent, and if you have subwoofers, it integrates really well.

          I guess if Erich feels there will be a market for a higher price-point 8" then I may be game.

          Jeff
          Click here for Jeff Bagby's Loudspeaker Design Software

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          • #50
            Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

            Originally posted by Jeff B. View Post
            I have just completed the crossover design for the 8" two-way using the Eminence Beta 8-A and EOS waveguide, and I am very happy with how this speaker sounds. In some ways it is the best of the three I have done with these waveguides. It's less sensitive than the Tempest and doesn't go as deep as either 12" model, but it's midrange is excellent, and if you have subwoofers, it integrates really well.
            Nice. I'd really like to see what you managed to come up with for the Beta 8As.
            Brian Steele
            www.diysubwoofers.org

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            • #51
              Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

              Do tell. I happen to have a pair of beta 8. Got them when they were on buyout and had the Hammer 8 slf stickers on them. :applause:

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              • #52
                Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

                Don't forget to check the diysoundgroup forum for designs that aren't kitted. Erich can't do them all. But there are more. Some guys are building with th SEOS 15 !!! Some other 12" designs to.
                https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm2...oSKdB448TTVEnQ

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                • #53
                  Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

                  Originally posted by Jeff B. View Post
                  I have just completed the crossover design for the 8" two-way using the Eminence Beta 8-A and EOS waveguide, and I am very happy with how this speaker sounds. In some ways it is the best of the three I have done with these waveguides. It's less sensitive than the Tempest and doesn't go as deep as either 12" model, but it's midrange is excellent, and if you have subwoofers, it integrates really well.
                  Could you elaborate on in what ways they are the best and perhaps where they are the lessor compared to the Tempest? I ask because I've decided I want to go with a Tempest front stage, and Alchemies as the surrounds, but I don't really have the money for the Tempests yet. What I have currently are great speakers for the money, but I currently don't have a center and I really struggle to hear the dialogue. I'm thinking about buying the 8's first because I can afford them now and will eventually want them for rears anyways and they could fix my dialogue issue right away. It'll set me back on buying the Tempest though and part of me rather wait so I can get those sooner. I guess I'm interested in what I gain and give up with the two designs so I can decide what to do with the various scenarios in my head. Thanks!

                  Bruce

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                  • #54
                    Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

                    Those subwoofer flat packs are awesome. I can't believe I didn't see this site sooner but I will definitely be ordering some things to save me the trouble of having to buy and cut my own sheets.
                    ErinsAudioCorner.com

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                    • #55
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                      • #56
                        Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

                        Originally posted by ErinH View Post
                        Those subwoofer flat packs are awesome. I can't believe I didn't see this site sooner but I will definitely be ordering some things to save me the trouble of having to buy and cut my own sheets.
                        Thanks, the DIY guys seem to like the subwoofer flat packs. I tried designing them to go together as easy as possible to cut down on any mistakes that a first timer might have. I haven't needed to ship out any spare parts, so it must be going pretty good. More detailed assembly photos will be made up pretty soon so people can follow the pictures like the ones I put up for the large 4 cuft box.

                        Ported and dual opposed are being worked on right now. I have the 4 cuft ported 12" model done that fits the Ultimax or RS series with dual 3" Precision Ports. They look really nice. Most guys here know that right now I just do this in my spare time, so it does take a little longer to get new things listed.

                        I just finished up Jeff Bagby's 8" MTM speaker last week. It's basically his Alchemy with dual woofers. It can be used for the center channel or used vertically. The MT version impressed a lot of people at a get together about a month ago.

                        I stink at taking pictures, but it is what it is. The lighting makes it look like the woofers are floating for some reason. :D







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                        • #57
                          Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

                          Originally posted by Erich H View Post
                          Thanks, the DIY guys seem to like the subwoofer flat packs. I tried designing them to go together as easy as possible to cut down on any mistakes that a first timer might have. I haven't needed to ship out any spare parts, so it must be going pretty good. More detailed assembly photos will be made up pretty soon so people can follow the pictures like the ones I put up for the large 4 cuft box.

                          Ported and dual opposed are being worked on right now. I have the 4 cuft ported 12" model done that fits the Ultimax or RS series with dual 3" Precision Ports. They look really nice. Most guys here know that right now I just do this in my spare time, so it does take a little longer to get new things listed.
                          Yea. Honestly, the most annoying part about DIY is the cutting. I have zero patience and usually call it "good enough" even when there's 1/8" overhang off odd pieces. LOL. So, it's nice to have you making these kind of kits that save the trouble of heading to HD and then spending a couple hours trying to make sure my cuts are perfect only to find they really aren't. ;)

                          And I'm glad you've allowed for the Ultimax 12's. That's actually the direction I was looking to go with my HT. Any potential for a pre-cut baffle for the 15" ultimax?
                          ErinsAudioCorner.com

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                          • #58
                            Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

                            That's a fine looking kit.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

                              Originally posted by ErinH View Post
                              Honestly, the most annoying part about DIY is the cutting.
                              +1. I enjoy everything else but.
                              Currently resigned to living in balmy Zephyrhills, FL with the snow birds.
                              Howard H

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                              • #60
                                Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

                                Thanks Passing Interest, I think that's going to be a really nice speaker.

                                I took some photos of the 4 cuft ported model this evening. I'm good at outdoor photos, but I don't do well indoors at all. Oh well.

                                This one took some design changes to really make it go together easy. But it's done. There will be a larger ported model coming for the 15" woofers too. This one is for the 12's and it uses two 3" Precision Ports. With the new tube extensions, you can port this under 20hz. It will accept ports about 25" long before getting too close to the rear panel.




                                The back brace on the rear panel can be turned the other way if you need to install a plate amp!





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