Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

[Mike220]

Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

Does anyone local to chicago/illinois have the alpha 8 minion or the alpha 12 zephyr? I would live to have a listen in person. The fusion 8 alchemys are interesting too but the woofer doesnt look as visually attractive to me. I dont do grills either!

[fwiler]

Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

The Fusion 6 is sealed and starts to roll off at 80hz, so you would need a subwoofer for the low end. If you don't have a subwoofer hooked up, sometimes the mids will sound a bit different than you might be used to.

I let the speakers play all day while I was at work- full range. Came home and crossed them over at 80hz. I have 3 subs so low end is taken care of.
The Faital opened up. You could physically see that it was moving more than when first put it.

I'm not good at describing speakers but here you go-
Huge sound. Easy to listen to. Very neutral. Sound was even across a wide area.
Initially not impressed, but now I just want to keep playing music.

[kevin007]

Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

I just bought the Fusion-6. Very nice speakers with plenty of output, but also easy to listen to. I expected more of a Klipsch glare but it's nothing like that. Creates a wide listening area that I'm not used to.
I have to sell them though :( Even though they are a small speaker and they sound great, the old lady wants something smaller. Can't blame her, it's just for watching TV, and these are way overkill for that.

So if anyone would like a set already built at a reduced price, let me know.

Sent you a PM about the speakers.

Kevin

[kevin007]

Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

I just bought the Fusion-6. Very nice speakers with plenty of output, but also easy to listen to. I expected more of a Klipsch glare but it's nothing like that. Creates a wide listening area that I'm not used to.
I have to sell them though :( Even though they are a small speaker and they sound great, the old lady wants something smaller. Can't blame her, it's just for watching TV, and these are way overkill for that.

So if anyone would like a set already built at a reduced price, let me know.

Sent you a PM about the speakers.

Kevin

[Erich H]

Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

The Fusion 6 is sealed and starts to roll off at 80hz, so you would need a subwoofer for the low end. If you don't have a subwoofer hooked up, sometimes the mids will sound a bit different than you might be used to.

[fwiler]

I have been interested in these since they came out. Can you describe them? How do they sound? Are there any you could compare them too?

I've done OS MTM, Swope MTM, and various combo's of drivers. I've had Energy, Klipsch, Polk, Boston, KEF, etc. speakers.
I would say the sound of these is unique. I like the high's, probably better than anything I've built, and I think that's due to the waveguide. The mids.... I'm not sure I'm qualified to comment. They weren't my favorite, but this could be due to the fact that I've only run them about 4 hours before the miss' said she didn't want them.
I honestly think they need a break in period. That and I didn't get to play around with different stuffing.

I can say they will play anything you throw at them and they will play loud without sounding loud. Not sure if that makes sense.

[Brian Steele]

Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

I took that measurement with the speaker on a 25" stand and with the mic 1 meter from the speaker on the tweeter axis. The stand was placed in the middle of my family room and I used a gated impulse response (I can't recall the exact gate time though.) Then I took a closer measurement of the woofer and ports and summed them and spliced the response at about 200hz. This is the measurement you see for the Alchemy.

Thanks Jeff. FWIW, I opted for the 4ft stand approach because I wanted to get an idea of what the speaker's 4PI response was like, and with a stand that high I think any aberrations in the measured response cause by reflection from nearby surfaces would be below the speaker's passband. It looks like we basically ended up with the same results, and from the impedance curve the alignment looks pretty similar too.

[Jeff B.]

Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

My apologies for resurrecting an "old" thread...

Jeff, the FR curve that's posted for this design here - http://www.diysoundgroup.com/wavegui...sion8-kit.html, can you give me some details on how the FR measurement was performed?

I'm about to send an e-mail reply to someone interested in building my Blastoramas, in which I'm suggesting that he have a look at that kit first before committing to cutting wood. My Blastoramas seem to have a very similar LF response to that kit, but of course if the FR measurement process is very different, that might not mean anything at all... . For my Blastorama measurements, I think I just put the speakers on a 4-foot high pedestal far away from any boundaries and took the FR using HolmImpulse.

I took that measurement with the speaker on a 25" stand and with the mic 1 meter from the speaker on the tweeter axis. The stand was placed in the middle of my family room and I used a gated impulse response (I can't recall the exact gate time though.) Then I took a closer measurement of the woofer and ports and summed them and spliced the response at about 200hz. This is the measurement you see for the Alchemy.

[kevin007]

Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

Yes, the design was finished and posted earlier this year as a kit at diysoundgroup.com named the "Alchemy". Unfortunately, it is not a publically posted / open source design.

Jeff,

I have been interested in the Alchemy 8's and the MTM version since I saw them. I am buying a new house and will have a fairly large room to fill with sound. It will be approximately 20X30 to the end of the room. But the actual sitting distance from the TV/Sound will be around 12'. So I am contemplating a new speaker system. I have also been looking at the Fusion 4's as they look like an interesting design. I am looking to get some descriptions of these various designs to better make a decision for this next system.

I was thinking of running the Fusion 8 Alchemy's for R-L duty and use the MTM for a center channel. What do you think of a setup like this? And could you give any sort of an description of the sound?

Thanks a million,

Kevin

[kevin007]

Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

I just bought the Fusion-6. Very nice speakers with plenty of output, but also easy to listen to. I expected more of a Klipsch glare but it's nothing like that. Creates a wide listening area that I'm not used to.
I have to sell them though :( Even though they are a small speaker and they sound great, the old lady wants something smaller. Can't blame her, it's just for watching TV, and these are way overkill for that.

So if anyone would like a set already built at a reduced price, let me know.

I have been interested in these since they came out. Can you describe them? How do they sound? Are there any you could compare them too?

Kevin

[kevin007]

Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

I just bought the Fusion-6. Very nice speakers with plenty of output, but also easy to listen to. I expected more of a Klipsch glare but it's nothing like that. Creates a wide listening area that I'm not used to.
I have to sell them though :( Even though they are a small speaker and they sound great, the old lady wants something smaller. Can't blame her, it's just for watching TV, and these are way overkill for that.

So if anyone would like a set already built at a reduced price, let me know.

I have been interested in these since they came out. Can you describe them? How do they sound? Are there any you could compare them too?

Kevin

[fwiler]

Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

I just bought the Fusion-6. Very nice speakers with plenty of output, but also easy to listen to. I expected more of a Klipsch glare but it's nothing like that. Creates a wide listening area that I'm not used to.
I have to sell them though :( Even though they are a small speaker and they sound great, the old lady wants something smaller. Can't blame her, it's just for watching TV, and these are way overkill for that.

So if anyone would like a set already built at a reduced price, let me know.

[Brian Steele]

Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

Yes, the design was finished and posted earlier this year as a kit at diysoundgroup.com named the "Alchemy". Unfortunately, it is not a publically posted / open source design.

My apologies for resurrecting an "old" thread...

Jeff, the FR curve that's posted for this design here - http://www.diysoundgroup.com/wavegui...sion8-kit.html, can you give me some details on how the FR measurement was performed?

I'm about to send an e-mail reply to someone interested in building my Blastoramas, in which I'm suggesting that he have a look at that kit first before committing to cutting wood. My Blastoramas seem to have a very similar LF response to that kit, but of course if the FR measurement process is very different, that might not mean anything at all... . For my Blastorama measurements, I think I just put the speakers on a 4-foot high pedestal far away from any boundaries and took the FR using HolmImpulse.

[Jeff B.]

Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

Hi Jeff,
I won a pair of the eminence Beta 8 drivers and a pair of PSD2013-8 compression drivers at Iowa DIY this weekend. Will the crossovers you designed work with this combination of drivers? If so, is it available yet?
Thanks,
Mike

BTW, I finished a pair of your Contimuums in a MLTL and all I can say is these are probably my go to speakers from now on. I really can't see them being improved or outdone. I have other speakers I like quite well, but they really don't do nearly what the Continuums do sonically. They are simply GREAT!

Yes, the design was finished and posted earlier this year as a kit at diysoundgroup.com named the "Alchemy". Unfortunately, it is not a publically posted / open source design.

[critofur]

Re: Has Anyone Seen the New Kits Lineup at DIYsoundgroup?

I haven't named it yet, just started to do some crossover work. Anyone have any suggestions for a good name?

Jeff

Ryan - Yes, it is the Beta 8-A - a pretty stout 8" driver.

The Master Beta?