"The sound of music... is irrelevant"

[critofur]

More concrete proof of the ubiquitous and extremely powerful effects of visual bias:

http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/...is-irrelevant/

What we can take away from this (something that they also point out in the article) is our general profound lack of insight into our own perceptual biases - I assume most of you have noticed how many members on this site will say something like "well, I'm sure that doesn't affect me" or "I'm sure I know my own ears well enough to still judge fairly" etc.

[Taran]

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Wait. We have people here who still deny that visual bias is real?

[carlspeak]

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Someone in our audio society (CTaudio.org) recently posted a thread on the same subject with the same link. My response was: OMG! Does this mean more Lang Langs are going to be spawned?! If you've seen a Lang Lang performance, you'll know what I mean.

[Taran]

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What's a lang lang?

[carlspeak]

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What's a lang lang?

It's big business in classical music. http://langlang.com/ Here is but one visual example.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKA65IEPw0Q

[Pete Schumacher]

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Seeing a live performance is all about being entertained. Someone that adds visual to their performance brings extra value.

There is no other way to explain the success of KISS.

[generic]

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It's big business in classical music. http://langlang.com/ Here is but one visual example.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKA65IEPw0Q

Playing style: Bugs Bunny... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYM84n-2Sas

[carlspeak]

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....
There is no other way to explain the success of KISS.

Oh, but there is! "There's no business like SHOW business"! Historically, classical music has traditionally been 'all about the music'. However, the face of classical music is changing - perhaps to just survive.

[mzisserson]

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This is one of the primary reasons Iron Driver is judged completely blind, speakers picked at random, and what the speaker looks like is not revealed until after all sound judging is complete. Furthermore the designer is not revealed until after the visual judging, and alas the visual judging only accounts for about 10-15% of the score.

Yet I believe many when they say that visual does not impact what they are hearing. You get to a point where you just dont care what a speaker looks like. I have heard many VERY attractive speakers almost drive me out of a room they sounded so poor, I have heard prototypes in raw MDF boxes that have blown my mind! Vice-versa too.

...Then again my car always rides better after I detail it... Go figure.

[Pete Schumacher]

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Oh, but there is! "There's no business like SHOW business"! Historically, classical music has traditionally been 'all about the music'. However, the face of classical music is changing - perhaps to just survive.

You're agreeing with me.

There is no other way to explain the success of KISS. If it weren't for the glitz, explosions, flash pans, costumes, they'd never have been noticed. Their music is just too forgettable and mediocre. Putting on an entertaining SHOW was the main focus, with music a very distant second.

[NickJ]

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For a second there I thought this was going to be a thread about how if your wife made you watch the sound of music one more time that you were, literally, going to lose your ****.

"The hills are not ****ing alive because they had to hear this song a thousand times, and it killed them!"

[Æ]

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For a second there I thought this was going to be a thread about how if your wife made you watch the sound of music one more time that you were, literally, going to lose your ****.

"The hills are not ****ing alive because they had to hear this song a thousand times, and it killed them!"

Hahaha, I was kind of almost thinking the same thing. I've seen that movie so many times, more times than I can remember. . . my wife even has a copy of it on VHS or DVD.

[the kid]

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You're agreeing with me.

There is no other way to explain the success of KISS. If it weren't for the glitz, explosions, flash pans, costumes, they'd never have been noticed. Their music is just too forgettable and mediocre. Putting on an entertaining SHOW was the main focus, with music a very distant second.

I REALLY want to come up with some profound reasoning in order to sound smart as to why I want to stick up for my favorite band. But I just can't.

I will state for the record that I actually do like most of their music.

[johnnyrichards]

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I REALLY want to come up with some profound reasoning in order to sound smart as to why I want to stick up for my favorite band. But I just can't.

I will state for the record that I actually do like most of their music.

You do not need to apologize or defend anything you like. Taste in music is personal, and there is no possible way to quantify what is considered "bad" or "good" - there are only opinions. Remember that much classical music were visual event scores.

[Taran]

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I REALLY want to come up with some profound reasoning in order to sound smart as to why I want to stick up for my favorite band. But I just can't.

I will state for the record that I actually do like most of their music.

You don't need to come up with any defense: It's your personal preference. I love the track Detroit Rock City and also Strutter.