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  • Listened to some Bose .... sounded pretty good too.

    Although they were headphones, which I guess makes sense since they appear to use headphone drivers in most of their speakers anyway. However, they did sound decent as headphones go, but they were overpriced in my opinion (but hey, they're Bose so overpriced should be expected.)

    I was actually looking for some headphones for evening HT use. At night when everyone heads to bed and I'm the only one up I like to watch some stuff on the DVR, but I don't care much for the sound from the little speakers in the LED Flat screen and the family doesn't want the whole system turned on. So, I started using headphones through a dedicated headphone amp and external DAC fed by the digital-out on the TV. The problem is - headphones that sound spectacular with most music, like my reference Sennheiser HD600's, sound thin with movies and just can't do the low end the way you would want to hear it when watching a movie. So, I set out to find some very high quality cans that give a realistic illusion of home theater sound while sitting on my head.

    I read a ton of reviews, studied data on Headphone.com, and then listened to a lot of cans from AT, AKG, Beats, BOSE, Beyerdynamic, Shure, Skull Candy, and more than I can possibly remember. In the end I bought two sets for different purposes. In fact, now I have three sets of headphones, each for a different purpose, just like I do with speakers (although I have more than three sets of those.) I thought you guys might be interested in how it turned out.

    First, a few comments on those that didn't make the cut - in my opinion Beats and Skullcandy headphones still sound like cheap junk. I certainly don't get it where these are concerned. And try as I did, I just couldn't get the bass I wanted from the AKG K550, which is supposed to be their best sealed headphone for bass reproduction. Those went back to Best Buy. The last set to get cut, but ones that almost made it, if it hadn't been for the eventual winner were the Shure SRH840's (from Parts Express). These were very good headphones and did some things exceptionally well. I would rate them among the better cans I have ever used, but they aren't quite Senn HD600's and they are pretty heavy too, and they didn't capture home theater as well as the winner, but again, they were very good, especially for the price. Still recommended.

    The winner for the Home Theater headphone sound-off were the new Beyerdynamic Custom One Pro's. These have very nicely balanced midrange and highs, much better than my older DT990 Pro's in my opinion and closer to the HD600's. However, they also have a very cool feature - a four position bass response setting that is completely passive. In position one they are rolled-off a bit in the bass, in position two they are flat, in position three there is moderate boost below 100Hz, and in position four there is quite a bit of boost. I find that with home theater these phones in position three sound remarkably realistic with exactly the balance I was looking for when listening to movies, and the mids and highs are very good too. I highly recommend these phones.

    The third set I picked up were a pair of Ultimate Ears UE6000's. I was not familiar with this Logitech brand when I started looking, but I was very impressed with the build quality and sound from these. They were, in my opinion, a cut above other headphones of their type that I listened to. These are active noise cancelling phones, with active EQ built in, and also have an in-line control for iPod and iPhone. I picked these up for use with the family's iPods and iPhones, and for use with the laptop. On my last vacation I took these along. When plugged into the laptop YouTube tunes sound very nice.

    So there you have it, my three reference sets of cans:
    Sennheiser HD600 for most music playback
    Beyerdynamic Custom One Pro's for Movies and some rock music
    Ultimate Ears UE6000's for portable devices when an active phone works best

    And like I said, I auditioned a lot of phones before ending up with these.

    Jeff B.
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    Re: Listened to some Bose .... sounded pretty good too.

    I have been out of the headphone scene for a bit with having phones that i like very much.. this custom pro ones look awesome, with adjustable bass settings. I too at one time had to go on a pilgrimage to find ones that suited me best. In the end i ended up with -

    -Denon AHD2000 for digital music. (the senn HD600 were a very very close second when i compared the two being a little more accurate in the bass dept compared to the denon, but to me the denon sound was more fun)
    -Grado SR60 for vinyl
    -Audio Technica ATHESW9 for portable use.

    Maybe we can all add our favs with some explanation for the choices made for folks to reference when trying to choose a pair.

    Regards,
    asmd.

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      Re: Listened to some Bose .... sounded pretty good too.

      I am currently trying to find a new set of cans. Thanks for the article, I am putting these on my short list to check out. I am finishing up my new headhpone amp and am in the market for a DAC. Which one do you have? Are you happy with it? Mine are going to be 50/50 music and television, and have run into the same problems you were talking about. Including being amazed at how trashy the Beats sound....

      Thanks for the info!

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        Re: Listened to some Bose .... sounded pretty good too.

        If you're not especially attracted to anything else, secondhand Beyerdynamic DT880s. They're great headphones, and last for ages and ages.

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          Re: Listened to some Bose .... sounded pretty good too.

          It's actually interesting to stick a mic in these and see what they do. The response of headphone speaker is usually totally not flat compare to what we are trying to do with our free standing speakers.
          Friend of mine used a 20"x20" piece of plywood with the mic placed through a small hole, so there was no cancellation.
          Anyway, I am just trying to make Jeff do more work :D but really curious to see what the response, variable bass and distortions are.
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            Re: Listened to some Bose .... sounded pretty good too.

            Originally posted by tc View Post
            I am currently trying to find a new set of cans. Thanks for the article, I am putting these on my short list to check out. I am finishing up my new headhpone amp and am in the market for a DAC. Which one do you have? Are you happy with it? Mine are going to be 50/50 music and television, and have run into the same problems you were talking about. Including being amazed at how trashy the Beats sound....

            Thanks for the info!
            I'm using this one:


            It uses the PCM1793 chipset and appears to be very nicely made. I think it's a real steal for the money. It sounds very good to me.
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              Re: Listened to some Bose .... sounded pretty good too.

              Originally posted by r-carpenter View Post
              It's actually interesting to stick a mic in these and see what they do. The response of headphone speaker is usually totally not flat compare to what we are trying to do with our free standing speakers.
              Friend of mine used a 20"x20" piece of plywood with the mic placed through a small hole, so there was no cancellation.
              Anyway, I am just trying to make Jeff do more work :D but really curious to see what the response, variable bass and distortions are.

              There's a real important reason for the frequency response you see in headphones -

              First it needs to be perceived as flat when combined with the affect that the shape of your ear and ear canal has on the frequency response. This is not the same as when measured with a mic stuck in next to the driver.

              And second, for a headphone to be perceived as having a correct bass balance it needs to be bumped up about 8db or so below 100Hz when mic'ed closely. This is due to the loss of bone conduction of low frequencies that we normally experience with free-field sound at low frequencies.

              If you go to Headphone.com and look at the frequency response (and distortion) measurements provided for most highly regard cans you will notice similarities in the response. This is all because the transfer function required to arrive at "flat" response in your ear is fairly well documented. Don't judge a headphone's true response from those graphs; it is missing an important component from the data.
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                Re: Listened to some Bose .... sounded pretty good too.

                I have a set of Bose... well, I don't really know what model they are because it only says BOSE on them, but they're the tri-port things with the little screened vent and two holes on each can. Sounded pretty good to me, but it's hard to get a chance to test out headphones. I had to go to Best Buy to try these. You really have to hear a set of cans before you buy them I think and that's not so easy to do. I tried to order a set from PE but didn't like the set I got so I just sent them back and went to Best Buy.

                It's nice to hear that you liked a few good sets and can recommend them. When I was looking for a set a few years ago, I had no idea where to look.

                TomZ
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                  Re: Listened to some Bose .... sounded pretty good too.

                  You are absolutely right Jeff. I have a friend that designs hearing aids for a company in Denmark. He is also an amateur speake builder and has shown me plots of his in-ear devices and they look like they would be anemic as all get out. But, according to him they model perfect.

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                    Re: Listened to some Bose .... sounded pretty good too.



                    I listened to all three of these back to back on the same headphone rig. The differences between the three were anything but subtle. The T1 sounded ok, but dull and boring. HD800 sounded detailed, but a little thin. The HE-6 sounded neutral with the best bottom end. IMO, it's a little difficult to correlate this to the measurements above...
                    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche

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                      Re: Listened to some Bose .... sounded pretty good too.

                      Originally posted by Face View Post


                      I listened to all three of these back to back on the same headphone rig. The differences between the three were anything but subtle. The T1 sounded ok, but dull and boring. HD800 sounded detailed, but a little thin. The HE-6 sounded neutral with the best bottom end. IMO, it's a little difficult to correlate this to the measurements above...
                      I don't know, but I guess I can see that in the graph...
                      David

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                        Re: Listened to some Bose .... sounded pretty good too.

                        Thanks Jeff. I always wanted the HD600's as my first real headphones. The 600? ohm steered me off as I don't have an amp and don't plan on using one since I'll use them in home and portable. I've been looking at the COP's for the last month or so and really want them. Now even more with your thoughts on them. I'm currently using the HD558's which sound really good, but there is absolutely no bottom end. I wish a local place around me had the COP's so I can test them out before I spend the money on them. There is a Guitar Center near me, I'll give them a call in a few hours to see if they have one to test out.

                        You sold me on these Jeff.

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                          Re: Listened to some Bose .... sounded pretty good too.

                          Looks like you can get the Beyerdynamic Custom One Pro for about $150.00 new on ebay. Might be worth checking out.

                          Kevin
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                            Re: Listened to some Bose .... sounded pretty good too.

                            I bought my wife a pair of the Bose noise canceling headphones for travel. She loves them because they are super light weight and comfortable, and she mostly just turns noise canceling on and leaves it unplugged, but honestly they don't sound terrible for music and movies on the go. That said, we I plugged them in at home to compare them with my AKG q701s the difference was fairly apparent. My plan is eventually get something to replace the q701s (which are great for video games by the way, not that I have any time to play), with something with more body and bass production. I am honestly thinking about the audeze lcd2, because it has got great bass, and is much more forgiving of bad recordings (of which I have MANY). I am not sure I need the be all and end all in resolution right now (especially with my ongoing battle with tinnitus), mostly I just want something big and comfy that makes me feel enveloped in warm pleasing sound. If that sounded like a "going back into the womb metaphor" well...yeah.

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                              Re: Listened to some Bose .... sounded pretty good too.

                              Byer DT770 would be worth a listen I think. Regularly stocked at most Guitar Centers.
                              Very comfy, big phone, closed, not bright, good detail. Good low end plays pretty deep but not quite as clean or dynamic as some.



                              Originally posted by NickJ View Post
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                              I am not sure I need the be all and end all in resolution right now (especially with my ongoing battle with tinnitus), mostly I just want something big and comfy that makes me feel enveloped in warm pleasing sound. If that sounded like a "going back into the womb metaphor" well...yeah.
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