being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

[r-carpenter]

Re: being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

Read this:

http://www.ethanwiner.com/believe.html

Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ

or better yet
this

http://exposed.ethanwiner.com/ate.htm

[Mark65]

Re: being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

I'm personally getting kinda sick of the audiophile bashing around here. The rhetoric is most likely correct, that's not the issue. I'm just TIRED of it, that's all. It's all been said. Numbers of times. I guess if audiophile addicts start breaking into my house and stealing my stuff to fund their habit, I'll go ahead and get bent about it. Until then, anyone who wants something, and has the means to acquire it, is free to do so, as far as I'm concerned. If anyone here asks our collective thoughts on whether some doodad SHOULD be purchased, then we're free to point out if the claims are nonsense.


Ok, just reread all that, and I'm sounding like a grouchy old man. My apologies.


GET OFF MY LAWN!!!



;):D


Mark

[contoursvt]

Re: being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

Brilliant!!! LOL

or better yet
this
http://exposed.ethanwiner.com/ate.htm

[contoursvt]

Re: being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

After I watch the R rated version posted by R-carpenter, I'll be watching these

Read this:

http://www.ethanwiner.com/believe.html

Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ

[r-carpenter]

Re: being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

it's not me, it's Ethan. :D

[johnnyrichards]

Re: being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

I'm personally getting kinda sick of the audiophile bashing around here. The rhetoric is most likely correct, that's not the issue. I'm just TIRED of it, that's all. It's all been said. Numbers of times. I guess if audiophile addicts start breaking into my house and stealing my stuff to fund their habit, I'll go ahead and get bent about it. Until then, anyone who wants something, and has the means to acquire it, is free to do so, as far as I'm concerned. If anyone here asks our collective thoughts on whether some doodad SHOULD be purchased, then we're free to point out if the claims are nonsense.



Ok, just reread all that, and I'm sounding like a grouchy old man. My apologies.


GET OFF MY LAWN!!!



;):D


Mark

See why I get offended when people make fun of me for spending $2000 on Brazilian hookers? lol

[thekorvers]

Re: being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

Of course $2000 power cables sound better than regular ones. I have replaced all the cables of every type in my house with the most expensive ones I could find and the difference is amazing. Even rap music sounds like it is sung by Barbara Streisand now.

But the most amazing difference was when I decided to change every one of the receptacles in my house with one of these:

http://www.parts-express.com/wattgate-381-audio-grade-duplex-receptacle-outlet--110-439

Only $148 each! Read the reviews!

I am convinced that I will live longer now!

[lorenmjones]

Re: being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

changed my mind...

[zhillsguy]

Re: being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

or better yet
this
http://exposed.ethanwiner.com/ate.htm

Hmmm.....interesting AND educational.

See why I get offended when people make fun of me for spending $2000 on Brazilian hookers? lol

I would rather support local business.

[johnnyrichards]

Re: being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

Hmmm.....interesting AND educational.



I would rather support local business.

The local PD here has nothing better to do than pursue adults engaged in consensual behavior whether that be screwing or smoking or snorting or shooting, so our "local business" suffers because of that.

[craigk]

Re: being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

Craig,

How much do you think the room influences the sound of those live instruments? Your position in the room? The instrument's position in the room? The humidity and temperature?

If you enjoy listening to recordings designed to exactly replicate the sound of acoustic instruments as they sound at the listening position in the performance venue then you are simply approaching it from a different perspective than many people here. I think one could easily argue though that your playback system (from source to interconnects to amps to speakers to ROOM should have a goal of accurately reproducing the waveform with which it is presented. This should apply no matter what you like to listen to. The fact that you think that listening to some live acoustic instruments might make you more able to judge the capabilities of a sound reproduction system doesn't make sense to me. I think that what SirNickity said still applies to recordings of that sort (some sort of stereo mic technique, distant from the source designed to capture much of the sound of the room). Those recordings still go through mic cables and mixing desks and etc etc.

I think that the listening room and the relative positions of you and the speakers has such a huge impact on the sound that it just doesn't make sense to me to expect the difference made by a power cable or between otherwise decent speaker cables to be important in relative terms.

Different strokes, but your sense of superiority because you have listened to high end commercial designs and have listened to live acoustic performances leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

It doesn't have to be about what your idea of "real instruments" and "real music" sounds like. As if it is somehow a lesser thing to enjoy music that doesn't aspire to reproduce the sound of a particular acoustic instrument in a particular room. A system can either accurately reproduce the waveform it is presented or it can't. It can have accurate frequency response over a given bandwidth and accurate phase characteristcs, or it can lack those things. This whole idea of going back to the reference (whether it is a live acoustic performance, or the sound as heard by the mix and mastering engineers in their studios) is over rated in my opinion.

you missed the entire point, it is not about being superior to anyone or thing, I have no idea where you are getting this from and injecting it in to my comments, I said no such thing. I go and listen to live music with real instruments so I have an idea of what they sound like. apparently other people through the years also listen to instruments also or there would not be such a demand for strat violins, telecaster guitars, zildjian cymbals etc. apparently some musicians must like to hear a certain sound also. how can you voice a speaker without having an idea of what an instrument sounds like. using a female or male voice that you have never heard live really does not help much. if it does not make sense to you to judge your speakers to the real thing, how are you judging them. that makes know sense. you have to have some kind of standard to judge something with.
as far as listening, I have a dedicated listening room. the one thing that I will agree with you on is this is "YOUR"
opinion, just like I gave mine. I do not have to like or agree with yours and you do not have to agree with mine. I just can not understand your logic of listening to music and not judging it against actual music. makes no sense.

[jinjuku]

Re: being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

I don't think there is anything wrong with challenging incorrectly relayed 'truths'.

When I see a comment about a Hard Disk Array and 'Gross Bit' error showing up as 'Noise' in the context of the video shown... Since I am in the technology business (for 24 years now) that video showed the system compensating and correcting for error. When any error is corrected it means that the data arrived 100% in that video.

When I see a comment about, oh say HDMI video quality on a $20 BJC vs $500 AQ, the same pointing out of misunderstanding is perfectly legit. Remember you just need challenge the supposition. You are indeed testing claims, not product. There is a large Delta to be calculated all in the claim.

This isn't audiophile bashing. This is error correction.

[r-carpenter]

Re: being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

[kenny_k]

Re: being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

I am willing to accept any rejected non-audiophilic gear. ;)

[andy19191]

Re: being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

Audiophile - a person enthusiastic about high-fidelity sound reproduction.

Doesn't the pretty much describe everyone on this forum?

No I am not an audiophile and if it was used by one of my peers it would be meant as a mildly derogatory term for those with an interest in home audio hardware that hold scientifically incorrect beliefs about how sound perception and audio equipment functions. You can see some people in this thread using it in this way.

For audiophiles themselves it is not surprisingly considered a positive term for those that see things their way.

For people that have little interest in home audio audiophile is increasingly coming to mean what high fidelity used to mean. This is perhaps understandable since the audiophile approach has been a lot more successful in the home audio market than the old high fidelity approach since it first entered the mainstream after the stereo boom.