being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

[JRT]

Re: being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

Caveat Emptor.

It's up to the buyer to make sure they are making a smart decision. There are hucksters everywhere and will always be...

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Some hucksters were much better than others.

[cjd]

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The difference is that one is not functioning effectively in life and the other is. The experience of one matters in that regard, the experience of the other one does not.

Poppycock. Anyone that is pathologically delusional is making life hell for close friends and family. Sure, degrees matter, and this is a symptom of the root problem, and many levels of the audiophile disease are relatively minor, but I also know of marriages that fell apart due to the problems that drove the mania.

[JRT]

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+1. You can't cheat a well informed consumer.
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[maynardg]

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Well, Chris, you've just identified a case where the behavior DOES indicate that person has not been functioning effectively, perhaps over a period of time. Either way, I (or you) are in no position to claim any individual's experience is not real. It is real as heck to them, and may or may not be dysfunctional.

Merely spending money on something because it is perceived and experienced as better, regardless of any objective evidence that it "truly" is better, and irrespective of the opinions of others is hardly a pathology and isn't even offensive. It is the engine of our economy.

Poppycock. Anyone that is pathologically delusional is making life hell for close friends and family. Sure, degrees matter, and this is a symptom of the root problem, and many levels of the audiophile disease are relatively minor, but I also know of marriages that fell apart due to the problems that drove the mania.

[pknaz]

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http://www.legacyaudio.com/products/view/signature-se/

Is it just me, or are the woofers in those Signature SE speakers a Dayton Audio RS series woofer?

[cjd]

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Well, Chris, you've just identified a case where the behavior DOES indicate that person has not been functioning effectively, perhaps over a period of time. Either way, I (or you) are in no position to claim any individual's experience is not real. It is real as heck to them, and may or may not be dysfunctional.

Merely spending money on something because it is perceived and experienced as better, regardless of any objective evidence that it "truly" is better, and irrespective of the opinions of others is hardly a pathology and isn't even offensive. It is the engine of our economy.

Agreed. I only objected to the statement suggesting an audiophile will effectively function and a schizophrenic won't. That division is irrelevant in the analysis, though no doubt more audiophiles are not a risk. Your response here more clearly draws the line around contributing factors.

Sensitive subject for me for reasons I don't really understand. Same reason I can't handle politics. Brains just seem to shut down. Oh well. Maybe that makes me a nut too.

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[maynardg]

Re: being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

Point taken. I have known audiophiles who weren't functioning all that well. Happens in many hobbies when the hobby starts to be an obsession.

QUOTE=cjd;1954814]Agreed. I only objected to the statement suggesting an audiophile will effectively function and a schizophrenic won't. That division is irrelevant in the analysis, though no doubt more audiophiles are not a risk. Your response here more clearly draws the line around contributing factors.

Sensitive subject for me for reasons I don't really understand. Same reason I can't handle politics. Brains just seem to shut down. Oh well. Maybe that makes me a nut too.

C[/QUOTE]

[SirNickity]

Re: being an audiophile has given my friend brain rot :(

It's called passion, and is not a bad thing. The trouble is when disagreements can't be handled without damage to personal relationships. Some people solve this by avoiding conflict entirely, but I don't think that's a wise approach. Learning to accept conflict is a useful skill -- albeit one that some of us may take a lifetime to learn. ;)

There's an enormous difference between "I dislike your opinion" and "I dislike you". They get mixed up so frequently that sometimes I consider using it as a signature line.

[craigk]

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http://www.legacyaudio.com/products/view/signature-se/

Is it just me, or are the woofers in those Signature SE speakers a Dayton Audio RS series woofer?

hey Nate, it sure looks like it.

[tktran]

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You may argue that a man is free to spend his money anyway he wants. Does it hurt anybody? Maybe not.

But can you enrich your life, and/or another person's life, by doing something else.

I would argue that if you made a $X donation to an effective charity, and buy yourself a nice bottle of Scotch, listening to music in your favourite chair will sound better than any $X cable/jumper/cable levitator change.

[Pete Schumacher]

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You may argue that a man is free to spend his money anyway he wants. Does it hurt anybody? Maybe not.

But can you enrich your life, and/or another person's life, by doing something else.

I would argue that if you made a $X donation to an effective charity, and buy yourself a nice bottle of Scotch, listening to music in your favourite chair will sound better than any $X cable/jumper/cable levitator change.

Go for it!!!

How do you know that the guy who sells the $$$ cable doesn't give some of that money to charity? Or put his kids through school? Or spends some of that money on something else that someone makes and sells?

[lorenmjones]

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I believe SirNickity has NAILED this thread. Nice job sir.

[Mayhem13]

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And aside from vibration. You get gross bit errors. ones when there should be 0's etc. Solid state delivers the media without these errors, which ultimately become noise. Good DAC's go though extensive stages of error correction and some esoteric CD players dump the disc to a SSD, read it 3 or 4 times and compare the data to error correct the data. Like it or not: It works. On paper and subjectively for most. I have heard a couple and they were very good, not sure if they justify their price just yet.

Sorry boys, All cable exhibit capacitive, resistive, and inductive effects which add up to reactance. This can have a profound effect on matching to amplifiers and more specifically the low level, high impedance signals between components. Price matters little here, but matching does in most cases.



+1, a very big +1. As stated, I find that given the opportunity, most would rather have better equipment all around. It is easy, however, to try and disprove differences to justify not having it than to say "hey-outta my leage, I have the best I can have and that's good enough for me". That mentality added to unscrupulous manufacturers and items like magic pebbles have really made it easy why not to own good equipment. I see some other people's hobbies and likes, and if you can afford them, you can afford good equipment to back your speaker up, it's just a choice, and a harsh reality is for most "music lovers" what is on a Best Buy shelf to slightly above is usually "good enough" because that extra 20% just ain't worth it... That's ok. Does not mean people are loony (within reason) because they are looking for a good match to their system or want the extra 20%. I rarely hear “audiophiles” bad-mouthing “ music lovers” or “audio enthusiasts”….

Have another glass of Kool-Aid. Your testimonial is certain to help the growth of high end audio........

[craigk]

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so what you are saying it does not matter if an instrument is reproduced with any kind of accuracy as long as you like it, it is good. wow, it just hit me, we will all just go to the Sir Nickity standard and there will be no more need to make speakers.

why do you have a right to point out any thing ? who appointed you supreme overseer. little on the arrogant side isn't it.

[r-carpenter]

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Celestion has some of the best drive-unit engineers on the planet working for them. (HINT: they share staff with corporate sibling KEF.) They also have a history of excellence that none of the bauble-purveyors you mention can touch.

Most of those "audiophile companies" aren't even competent enough to get the midrange polars on their speakers consistent.

The objectives are different. "audiophile companies" sells to.... you've guessed it, "audiophile". Majority of the consumers do not care, understand or care to learn about polars. It's a lot easier to talk about perceived subjective differences. Besides, understanding a straight forward relationship between polar response and how things sound is not exactly straight forward. There are bad and good coaxes and there are average sounding speakers with flat on axis and smooth falling off axis.

Some of us have the ethical clarity not to be "open minded" about obvious scams. Should one be open minded about Bernie Madoff or Jack Abramoff? Should one be open-minded about Enron? Should one be open-minded about Goldman Sachs' recent scam where they bought a bunch of warehouses and shuttled aluminum between them to raise the materials' price? Or birthers, truthers, Holocaust deniers, climate change deniers, anti-vaxxers, or people who assign magic sonic qualities to mere wires, etc.?

Are you serious? You throwing high end wire producer together with Ahmadinejad and the likes?
Madoff and Abramoff just took it a bit too far but haven't really crossed te main principals of how fractional reserve banking and lobbing systems operate. Not really a good example but then again, some scams are more obvious then others. Obvious been a key word here while neither Bernie nor Jack haven't been knobed right away.