Informal Single Driver and Small Bookshelf Shootout in Austin TX

[Leroy R]

Re: Informal Single Driver and Small Bookshelf Shootout in Austin TX

Each chamber is double the volume as an original Minion to accommodate two drivers in each chamber. Same thing for stuffing, about twice as much as a single driver Minion. I never tried this with Minion III drivers or compared it to a pair of Minion IIIs. I ran the wires for each pair of drivers out through the center section so I run them as stereo pairs or so I could wire them series/parallel as a single center channel.

[tycham85]

Re: Informal Single Driver and Small Bookshelf Shootout in Austin TX

Yeah, that "soundbar looking" speaker is the one I'm talking about. The dustcap on the left-inner driver was dusty so I thought it was one of those concave peerless passive radiators linked to the other inner driver. Also, when I said "sub" I meant tiny driver tuned to play lower frequencies. Not interested in the Antey24 tower...for now.

I'd ask for more info on the center channel, but it looks like you're running 2 of the same driver in a 4"x4"x8" ID rectangular prism. Any polyfill? Does it sound better than a traditional pair of minion iii's set up the same distance apart?

I think I'd like to make a boombox about the same size with minion iii's on the ends and a center chamber with a passively radiated nd90-4. I might even try to tune a driver for that "sub" chamber that looks more like those tang bands for aesthetic purposes.

BTW, thanks for the quick response. I've been a long time lurker, but I feel like I might step up to say a bit more on the forums. I love the community aspect.

[Leroy R]

Re: Informal Single Driver and Small Bookshelf Shootout in Austin TX

I believe you are talking about the soundbar looking speaker. It was a center channel design I was playing around with using the original Minion drivers. There is an Antey24 tower standing behind it in the picture which I think you might be confusing as the passive sub you mentioned.

[tycham85]

Re: Informal Single Driver and Small Bookshelf Shootout in Austin TX

what is the name of the speaker sitting on top of the sprite? looks like a small sealed left/right with a small sub passively radiated in the middle. i like the shape.

i was looking to do something similar with minion iii's or wolf's pc speakers on the ends.

i just completed my second project: boombox with sealed stereo nd-90-8's and a ported nd-105-4. sounds fantastic (if i do say so). it's in the general shape of an 80's boombox (i should post it to the forums, but i'm lazy). the speaker you have is shaped like the modern portable bluetooth speakers. i like it.

[Leroy R]

Re: Informal Single Driver and Small Bookshelf Shootout in Austin TX

No it runs full range with no BSC or other filters.

[BeeTL]

Re: Informal Single Driver and Small Bookshelf Shootout in Austin TX

Is there a filter on the Minion III?

If so, I'm not finding it.

[Chris Roemer]

Re: Informal Single Driver and Small Bookshelf Shootout in Austin TX

That Le model does NOT mirror a driver's actual freq. response. It IS a clue to the driver designer of ONE of the (many) factors that they'll have to wrangle with (in addition to cone material, cone profile, surround material and shape, motor design and strength, and yada yada yada - more things than I can list or even know about) to end up with the response they'll ultimately settle on.

[dougjohnson]

Re: Informal Single Driver and Small Bookshelf Shootout in Austin TX

No. It boosts the bass a bit by altering the Q of the bottom end rolloff. What parameters does BassBox use to model the top end rolloff? Are you just talking about the rolloff from Le? BassBox doesn't reference actual frequency response curves, does it?

No, it doesn't. It is driven by the Thiele-Small parameters. Yes, it seems the higher the Le, the faster the roll off, which makes sense. I haven't done any modeling before and am just poking around at it.
Thanks,
Doug

[Chris Roemer]

Re: Informal Single Driver and Small Bookshelf Shootout in Austin TX

No. It boosts the bass a bit by altering the Q of the bottom end rolloff. What parameters does BassBox use to model the top end rolloff? Are you just talking about the rolloff from Le? BassBox doesn't reference actual frequency response curves, does it?

[dougjohnson]

Re: Informal Single Driver and Small Bookshelf Shootout in Austin TX

I suppose I feel inclined to state that the W3 used in the Minion III was not around when I built my PC's.

I have been doing some modeling with BassBox Pro of the PC, Minion III, and W3-926S speakers in 4-5" interior cubes. They all seem to have a pretty significant drop starting at 6khz and up. Is the purpose of the cap in the PCs to compensate for that?
Thanks,
Doug

[Wolf]

Re: Informal Single Driver and Small Bookshelf Shootout in Austin TX

If I came across as critical of the PCs, I'm sorry. Like I said, I almost bought them.
-- Doug

Oh no, no offense taken or implied, guys. Just stating that I built these a LONG TIME ago. Very well could be that the specs have even changed enough
that they are not the same anymore from the more recent production runs. There are lots of reasons that they could have been 'less than
expected' by comparison.

Later,
Wolf

[dougjohnson]

Re: Informal Single Driver and Small Bookshelf Shootout in Austin TX

I suppose I feel inclined to state that the W3 used in the Minion III was not around when I built my PC's. It represents a very good bargain, and the performance is very good for the price. I heard them in something Brian Powers did about 4 years ago. You can find his project somewhere and all it involves is a simple notch on the cone breakup- just give it a shot. I built the PC back in 2004 or 2005....

If I came across as critical of the PCs, I'm sorry. Like I said, I almost bought them.
-- Doug

[Leroy R]

Re: Informal Single Driver and Small Bookshelf Shootout in Austin TX

Found it, but didn't see a crossover in the thread. Still looking to see if there is another thread.

http://techtalk.parts-express.com/showthread.php?213789-Project-preview-Budget-3-way

http://techtalk.parts-express.com/showthread.php?214763-New-project-J1-Budget-three-way

Found the build you were referring to Wolf. It looks like if someone wants to build a slightly larger ported enclosure and add a notch filter, Brian Powers already designed a full range speaker using this same driver a couple years ago. Here is the link to his design.

http://techtalk.parts-express.com/showthread.php?213436-New-project-1-0-version-of-the-w3-1053-fullrange

[kevin007]

Re: Informal Single Driver and Small Bookshelf Shootout in Austin TX

I suppose I feel inclined to state that the W3 used in the Minion III was not around when I built my PC's. It represents a very good bargain, and the performance is very good for the price. I heard them in something Brian Powers did about 4 years ago. You can find his project somewhere and all it involves is a simple notch on the cone breakup- just give it a shot. I built the PC back in 2004 or 2005....

Later,
Wolf

No worries mate!

It's not that your PC speakers, or Paul's Sprite sound bad. It was that Leroy and myself were blown away that his sounded so good. Maybe you can pick up a couple drivers and see what magic you could work with them? They sounded pretty nice especially as desktop PC speakers as long as you had a sub to fill in the sub 100Hz range.

Lee was even thinking of trying out a ported version...

Kevin

[Wolf]

Re: Informal Single Driver and Small Bookshelf Shootout in Austin TX

Thanks for this thread and the Minions. I was within minutes of pulling the trigger on Wolf's PC speakers for my PC. I've just ordered the parts for the Minion III. -- Doug

I suppose I feel inclined to state that the W3 used in the Minion III was not around when I built my PC's. It represents a very good bargain, and the performance is very good for the price. I heard them in something Brian Powers did about 4 years ago. You can find his project somewhere and all it involves is a simple notch on the cone breakup- just give it a shot. I built the PC back in 2004 or 2005....

Later,
Wolf