So this is what the north pole feels like?

[RINNAV]

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I see all of us So Cal guys are wisely keeping our mouths shut.

Go Chargers!

Stan

Yes Stan, I thought it was a little chilly on my way to work today... warming up to 74 by lunch time!

[Pete Schumacher]

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Let me know when you have any real expertise in climate science that isn't spoon fed to you from neo-con talk radio, Pete; then we'll start to give your opinion more credit....

Here's a graphic example of how dumb the climate models are rone.



Not one of them is even close to being correct. So if your sources on the subject use these models as some sort of substitute for actual data, well, get back to us when you've educated yourself on something other than the snake oil from the IPCC (Idiots Promoting Climate Catastrophe).

[rone]

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Here's a graphic example of how dumb the climate models are rone.

Like I said: you know nothing about the issue, your opinion should hold no weight with anyone. I don't say this because I disagree with you, rather because I am tired of hearing you spout your ignorant opinion at every opportunity. It's like asking a kindergardener what makes the sky blue or why the moon doesn't fall out of the sky - you have nothing intelligent to say. The 5 year old would have the sense to keep their mouth shut, you don't...

Here's an obligatory graphic about "global warming" for you:

http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/

And something you should no doubt spend some time ruling out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

[killa]

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I like the slippery slope tag as there are slippery slopes today lol!

[Pete Schumacher]

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Like I said: you know nothing about the issue, your opinion should hold no weight with anyone. I don't say this because I disagree with you, rather because I am tired of hearing you spout your ignorant opinion at every opportunity. It's like asking a kindergardener what makes the sky blue or why the moon doesn't fall out of the sky - you have nothing intelligent to say. The 5 year old would have the sense to keep their mouth shut, you don't...

Here's an obligatory graphic about "global warming" for you:

http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/

And something you should no doubt spend some time ruling out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Attack the messenger and not the data? Typical obfuscation of an Alinskyite.

That graphic I posted nukes the climate models rone. The actual satellite data collected shows zero agreement with the models. Models are not science and they don't reflect reality. They are only as good as the theory that lays at the foundation of the programming.

Instead of throwing these nonsequitors at us about "bias", why not refute the satellite data?

And speaking of bias, who has the most to lose if funding of these ludicrous computer models is removed?

rone, as a scientist myself, who has studied what it means to gather data, formulate theory, run experiments to prove the premise, looking for the single example that destroys the argument, the satellite data tells me everything I need to know. The models are wrong, and the "scientists" who created them need to go back to the drawing board.

[kenny_k]

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The graph does show an increase in temp? None return to 0deg., correct? This is just an observation of the data presented.

[dustinbagby]

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Left at the beginning of the storm. Spent 14.5 hours driving what should have taken 9.5, and had to detour to little rock instead of Tulsa. Currently in Amarillo, TX, and its only 15° here, which is crazy for Texas.

I spent a lot of time going 25mph down the interstate and tallied up 15 jackknifed or overturned semis, 6 passenger cars, and saw only 3 plows. It was the worst conditions I've ever driven in.

75° Los Angeles here I come!

[Pete Schumacher]

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The graph does show an increase in temp? None return to 0deg., correct? This is just an observation of the data presented.

The graph shows reality vs. prediction. Prediction is the black line (average) of the accepted climate models. The satellite data shows an increase using 1979 as the zero line. The reality is far lower than the models. In other words, the models are all lousy for predicting reality, meaning what ever reasoning is behind the models and their forcing functions is wrong, plain and simple. Computer models simply cannot predict climate yet. The earth's climate is far more complex than any of the models and they simply can't account for everything, as the satellite data so obviously shows.

Why is it that so many will cling to the models and ignore the reality of the data?

[johnnyrichards]

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Two metrics commonly ignored by deniers

There is more, of course. The preponderance of evidence points towards not only global warming - but it being influenced, if not outright the result of, civilization.

The first is accurate, and correlates with rising temperatures.

The second refutes the "sun controls the climate, well duh" crap.

Since the politicization of the topic, the deniers have become more and more vehement, not to mention downright obtuse on the subject.

To flip Pete's question on end, who stands to lose if man-made global warming proves true (and it already has been)?

This being said, have a nice day gentlemen

[Pete Schumacher]

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Two metrics commonly ignored by deniers

There is more, of course. The preponderance of evidence points towards not only global warming - but it being influenced, if not outright the result of, civilization.

The first is accurate, and correlates with rising temperatures.

The second refutes the "sun controls the climate, well duh" crap.

Since the politicization of the topic, the deniers have become more and more vehement, not to mention downright obtuse on the subject.

To flip Pete's question on end, who stands to lose if man-made global warming proves true (and it already has been)?

This being said, have a nice day gentlemen

Another refusing to address the data. Surprise surprise surprise.

How convenient that you only go back 650,000 years.

Man made warming has never been "proven true."

[rone]

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Attack the messenger and not the data?

You are not qualified to analyze the data and I am not claiming to be. What you fail to understand is that this forum is a "Techtalk Speaker Building, Audio, Video" forum and I fail to see how your opinion of global warming is relevant to that topic. I have shown a number of ways that your opinion is uninformed and unimportant. Confirmation bias is very relevant to your uninformed opinions.

In the interests of furthering the peaceful discussion of relevant topics and remove your unwelcome "soap box topic" - I think the moderators should ban some words and perhaps remove a bunch of irrelevant crap from your signature.

[Wolf]

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Figured I'd post this before this thread gets closed...

We were without power for 5.5 hrs tonight, pending -18 deg outside in the early morning. 7:15pm - 12:45am down, in blankets and hoping it would come back on. Apparently the whole town was without power, resultant from a transformer blowing up. Dropped from 76 deg to 58 deg inside before it was restored. We have a few water pipes froze to the tub, but all else are free and working.

Stay warm and safe everyone!
Wolf

[jonpike]

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Especially funny after watching Mythbusters last night do Star Wars myths, including the stuff Luke inside the Taunton's belly to survive the blizzard scene...

I'm not going to say anything about 77F temps and clear skies, nope, not going to be that guy.... :D

[Pete Schumacher]

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You are not qualified to analyze the data and I am not claiming to be. What you fail to understand is that this forum is a "Techtalk Speaker Building, Audio, Video" forum and I fail to see how your opinion of global warming is relevant to that topic. I have shown a number of ways that your opinion is uninformed and unimportant. Confirmation bias is very relevant to your uninformed opinions.

In the interests of furthering the peaceful discussion of relevant topics and remove your unwelcome "soap box topic" - I think the moderators should ban some words and perhaps remove a bunch of irrelevant crap from your signature.

rone, you don't seem to have a problem throwing around your ill informed opinion. Why do you have a problem with mine?

Anyone can read the satellite data. Even you. It's not that complicated.

Anyone can choose to ignore my signature. It's not irrelevant to me. Typical Alinskyite . . . ban the speech you disagree with.

[kenny_k]

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I'm not concerned with CO2 fluctuations over hundreds of millions of years, only the effect on human life now. I don't see these fluctuations during the time of homo sapiens. Now if you have a graph clarifying that, I'd like to see it. Thanks.