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  • #46
    Re: Is there interest in a large three way "monkey coffin" collaboration?

    Perhaps it would make sense for me or one of us to knock out a batch of templates that could be shared around to folks building the design but without skills to produce a template. Just a thought.

    I do think it is a great driver for this aside from the non-round frame.

    Originally posted by Mark65 View Post
    Just gotta make a template. More work, that's true, but once it's done they'll look awesome. I like that mid choice. A lot.
    Loren Jones

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    • #47
      Re: Is there interest in a large three way "monkey coffin" collaboration?

      Without doubt the templates can be frustrating to do especially the first time you try them. I can do them but it takes a little bit of effort and caution to get them right no doubt.

      There are obviously round frame choices available. It's just a matter of finding the right one I guess. Not that the SB is out because it seems like just the right performance and at a great price, but I'm sure there are others.

      Originally posted by isaeagle4031 View Post
      Like mark said, it can be done, just a little more effort. My thinking was more about the newer guys that don't yet have that skill.
      Loren Jones

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      • #48
        Re: Is there interest in a large three way "monkey coffin" collaboration?

        2 cents worth. Lots of AVRs like a minimum of 6 ohm (nominal) impedance with not much time near 4 ohms. Just a thought. The price-point being talked about is doable for lots of beginners. 30-ish Hz matches the old 15" Cerwin-Vega 3-ways of the early '80's.

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        • #49
          Re: Is there interest in a large three way "monkey coffin" collaboration?

          I would agree with this, but would be open to others thoughts.

          Originally posted by isaeagle4031 View Post
          4 ohm shouldn't really be a problem should it? With imp rise and xover additives, the 4 ohm will be minimal and any about any amp should be fine. It will also make the woofer crossover less expensive.
          Loren Jones

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          • #50
            Re: Is there interest in a large three way "monkey coffin" collaboration?

            DCS315 has a similar peak but smaller. What is the origin of those peaks?

            Originally posted by ngjockey View Post
            The DS315 has a 150 Hz peak that would be nice for BSC. Similar to Zaph's SB 12.3. You're right though, it does drop below that more than I would prefer. Could do a bass boost with a BFC (big cap). No, that didn't help.
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            • #51
              Re: Is there interest in a large three way "monkey coffin" collaboration?

              I've no idea whether this woof will satisfy the needs for this project, but I'm using it in a couple of shop speakers with very good results. Box size: 3.8 cu. ft. , vented.

              http://www.parts-express.com/visaton...8-ohm--292-588

              GeeDeeEmm

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              • #52
                Re: Is there interest in a large three way "monkey coffin" collaboration?

                So I'm sure there are other options out there, but I modeled quite a few woofers this evening. I looked through all of what PE has as well as Madisound and Meniscus. I limited price to $100 or less. I'll post the WBCD graphs FWIW. I've come to the conclusion that the DCS380 sealed or the DCS305 vented are the best option for this. They will both work very well in 100 to 110 liters. The 380 has a couple db more output above 40 hz and the 305 has a bit more from 30 db down. Personally I'd pick the ported 12" but the DCS380 is very appealing as well.

                I do understand the concern regarding the need to keep the impedance up to reasonable levels and if that is deemed imperative then the DS315-8 woofer looks pretty good.

                So, thoughts or suggestions for other woofer options I've missed?

                Here are basic FR graphs for the ones I modelled.

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                • #53
                  Re: Is there interest in a large three way "monkey coffin" collaboration?

                  Do you have one in mind that would work well in a reasonable volume? It would look ******.

                  Originally posted by craigk View Post
                  how about two 12 inch drivers
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                  • #54
                    Re: Is there interest in a large three way "monkey coffin" collaboration?

                    So I still think the SB mids would be nice, but this TB might be a pretty good option. I'm guessing 2 would still be needed.

                    http://www.parts-express.com/tang-ba...oofer--264-850
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                    • #55
                      Re: Is there interest in a large three way "monkey coffin" collaboration?

                      Don't know what causes those peaks. Difference between the two is one peaks at nearly 95 dB and extends while the other has a bump up to 90 dB. After BSC, take 4-6 dB for mids/tweeter. As I recall, Zaph had a resistor on the mids as well.

                      Remember too that the SB 12.3 is sealed, and it's still BIG. More box...more wood...more bracing...more finish...more money.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Is there interest in a large three way "monkey coffin" collaboration?

                        Originally posted by lorenmjones View Post
                        I know woofer hasn't been decided yet, but who likes a pair of these SB Acoustics mids. Price is great. Response is nice. $27 for SB Acoustics is a great price.

                        http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com...r-cone-woofer/
                        These are described on the SB Acoustics website as OEM only and I have never seen them available to DIYers in Europe. There is some chance these OEM models will not remain available when the current batch has gone. I don't know but it might be worth finding out first before settling on such a model.

                        Two mids does not look right to me. Not sure you want a 10" mid but a single larger mid would get my vote on looks.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Is there interest in a large three way "monkey coffin" collaboration?

                          Excellent research. Between that and the frame shape we prob should look elsewhere.

                          6FE200. Any thoughts on it from designers?
                          http://www.parts-express.com/faitalp...-ohm--294-1151

                          This TB?
                          http://www.parts-express.com/tang-ba...oofer--264-852

                          This Celestion?
                          http://www.parts-express.com/celesti...-ohm--294-2052

                          Eminence Alpha6A
                          http://www.parts-express.com/eminenc...8-ohm--290-400

                          Eminence Alpha6C. This looks kinda good to me
                          http://www.parts-express.com/eminenc...4-ohm--290-399

                          What else am I missing. Balancing price, usable FR and needed sensitivity is tough here. Oh, the 4 ohm RS150p or the 6" Silver flute may work.

                          Originally posted by andy19191 View Post
                          These are described on the SB Acoustics website as OEM only and I have never seen them available to DIYers in Europe. There is some chance these OEM models will not remain available when the current batch has gone. I don't know but it might be worth finding out first before settling on such a model.

                          Two mids does not look right to me. Not sure you want a 10" mid but a single larger mid would get my vote on looks.
                          Loren Jones

                          http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...-sound-drivers

                          http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...for-live-sound

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                          • #58
                            Re: Is there interest in a large three way "monkey coffin" collaboration?

                            Absolutely the Celestion for its high efficiency and smooth rolloff which will make XO much easier with less parts count and costs.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Is there interest in a large three way "monkey coffin" collaboration?

                              The Faitals are nice. Really nice.

                              Originally posted by lorenmjones View Post
                              What else am I missing. Balancing price, usable FR and needed sensitivity is tough here. Oh, the 4 ohm RS150p or the 6" Silver flute may work.
                              Dayton PK165. It surpised me just how much better it was than the Alpha 6. Don't know if it will handle the abuse that the Eminence will, but I doubt that's a problem here.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Is there interest in a large three way "monkey coffin" collaboration?

                                For woofage, there are two ways you can go. And both make sense in their own way. If power isn't an issue, something like the Dayton ST would get my vote. This would get into the high 20's, but be fairly power hungry. For a system that will go as loud as possible on a conventional HT receiver, I would stop at 40 Hz with something like a Kappa 15LF. The bad news is that it only takes 200 watts to get to x-max. The good news is that it only takes 200 watts to get to x-max (and peak at 120dB).

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