2014 ky diy

[6thplanet]

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I want to give a big shout out to Eric, Adam, Rory, and Eric's wonderful wife Terri. It was great speaking with Eric's better half.

Don't worry Terri, the next round of tile will be for the house!

LoL! She knows speakers come first !!

[ani_101]

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After almost 1500 miles round trip and 12 hours each way, it was a a bit hectic, but a lot of fun. My wife is used to this craze, but my mom who is visiting me from India also had a good. And of course the ladies were lucky for me, netting me the driver and the finish for the next project.

In as soon as we reached home, my mom was asking me when am i going to start on the 15" Eminence Alpha Driver - it looks huge up close... but thankfully quite light and going in an open baffle, won't be too much work! My only regret I missed listening to the open baffle / dipole sub project - Any design / build info on it?

Thanks all for hosting it and making a it a very memorable get together and First Build was a fascinating venue - too bad it's a 1500 mile roundtrip else I would have been there almost everyday.

Regards
Ani

[Wolf]

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I had a lot of fun! The room and chairs were great, and Eric/Adam/Tag did a great job of hosting. I only heard one little whimper with regards to the Crown amp being used, otherwise no complaints and lots of compliments. Rory fell asleep midday, so he filled in for Matt's (absent) normal slumber.
I count 17 pair...
Tag's DSP'd Econowaves sounded much better in the bass range than I've heard prior, but felt the mids of the 12" still barked a bit with a peak somewhere.
Dan had ipso-facto'd his Segway's connections, so his mid was 'fwopping' a bit. I know it was preliminary, but I did hear a bit of barking in the mid that was playing mids here.
I heard no buzz from Ani's TMM's. I still think they need a tweeter, but that's my opinion.
I still find the treble on the Blues to be a bit hot and the mids murky. Likely great for HT dialog and slam, but the bass seems a bit off.
I still am not thrilled with the bass in the Docere MLTL, but Bryan is happy with them so that is what matters.
Rory's Model 6 were nicely balanced, but the off-axis still suffers a tad with a FR this large.
I missed Adam's active jobbies, but have heard them prior, and find them to be excellent. His little poke-a-dot speakers I'm surprised met at all in the middle- couldn't have been an easy blend.
Don't fall out of your chairs, but George's use of the DQ25 is the best I've heard it. However, it still has that glare I don't like- just LESS of it. Bass from that SDS 3.5" was abnormally good, but it is an SDS....
I was picking nits with Mike220 because he asked me to about his, BUT I only had a problem with the tubbiness in the upper bass range. A little poly will fix that.
We bottomed Chuck's Armonicos with a too-loud source, but they survived 'In the Air Tonight' prior... Still a good design.
Eric's 442 I felt had a small hole between the Pro and the RS270, but it lacked nothing for it. Great bass!
I felt this was the Fenghuang's best showing, paired with the Triumph. They regained their status, so point was made. I also made Jerry's kid happy- as he took the Feng' home. Enjoy, kid!
The CSS kit was interesting, and definitely better than the previous xover I heard at InDIYana. I felt it a bit muddy/boomy opposed to its hot/shouty presentation prior, and that they had trouble blending the ribbon to the 7" woofers. There seemed to be a lack of linkage in the middle this time, and maybe a Qtc that is too high.
As always, Craig's Pre-Carrera sounded great.
I heard lots of good things said about both my Nephila and the Xenoliths, but I'll let those that attended comment.

Thanks for the fun weekend, guys, Mark for hosting Friday night, and Chuck for tagging along.
I like the CKY-DIY event, and look forward to the next one.
I'll post my pics up later,
Wolf

[jinjuku]

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I only heard one little whimper with regards to the Crown amp being used
Wolf

That was Chuck wishing the Peak-X limiters were engaged ;):D

[isaeagle4031]

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That was Chuck wishing the Peak-X limiters were engaged ;):D

That would have been nice lol. But I found their limits and I am still very happy with them.

[mattsk8]

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I still find the treble on the Blues to be a bit hot and the mids murky. Likely great for HT dialog and slam, but the bass seems a bit off.
I still am not thrilled with the bass in the Docere MLTL, but Bryan is happy with them so that is what matters.

I think the bass has a lot to do with MLTL cabinets and big rooms, because I felt the same but I heard it on other speakers as well. Can't put my finger on it but it was like it was too pronounced in certain areas, and lacking in others. No bash against the venue at all, I was actually very surprised at how well everything played in there. I just don't think the room liked MLTL cabinets . If they always sounded like that, I would definitely cut them down to a bookshelf and run a sub.

As far as the mids/highs go on the Blues, I voiced mine for MP3 playback because I use them in my garage, so what you're saying about the tweeter actually makes sense. I made the tweeter a teeny bit hotter to try to make up some of what I think gets lost in the MP3 compression. The original design, and the kit you get from Meniscus isn't voiced that way, it has the original crossover in it. But it is very subtle, not a very big change. I also sharpened the mids a tiny bit, so I'm curious what you mean by "murky" in the mid section, I always thought that was where they shined a bit. If I understand what you're saying by murky, that might be characteristic of the L6-4R woofer.

[Wolf]

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That would have been nice lol. But I found their limits and I am still very happy with them.

Sorry, what? I had to go to the other room when you tweaked the knob, but I didn't think you found the red lights. FWIW, it sounds better
with the limiters off, so that is how I use them.

Later,
Wolf

[Mike220]

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It definitely hot the yellow/red light on the amp momentarily! Thanks for the advice Ben. I think the build sounds good for the drivers being used. I'm just looking to get that final refinement to finalize the build.

[bkeane1259]

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Pics added to the Kentucky 2014 archive on the MAC site. We'll be adding videos and some other multi-media content later this week. Need to render all the GoPro stuff.

Enjoy!

http://www.midwestaudioclub.com/event-archive/kydiy2014/

[isaeagle4031]

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Sorry, what? I had to go to the other room when you tweaked the knob, but I didn't think you found the red lights. FWIW, it sounds better
with the limiters off, so that is how I use them.

Later,
Wolf

It just gave me a quick scare is all. The Armonicos have their limits and we found it. That limit is still well beyond what most will find comfortable. I love the Crown amps. You know that!

[craigk]

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Pics added to the Kentucky 2014 archive on the MAC site. We'll be adding videos and some other multi-media content later this week. Need to render all the GoPro stuff.

Enjoy!

http://www.midwestaudioclub.com/even...ive/kydiy2014/

good job on the pics Bryan

[Paul K.]

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I have several different ML-TL designs I've built. To my ears, the bass sounds the same in my home as it does at PE's MWAF in the dance studio (within the limitations of their music choices, mind you), in Iowa's "theater", and in the hotel room at InDIYana. You might want to take a look at how much BSC is applied; in my personal builds it's 3 to 3.5 dB. I can't rule out the possibility, though, that I just don't hear very well, of course. :rolleyes:
Paul

I think the bass has a lot to do with MLTL cabinets and big rooms, because I felt the same but I heard it on other speakers as well. Can't put my finger on it but it was like it was too pronounced in certain areas, and lacking in others. No bash against the venue at all, I was actually very surprised at how well everything played in there. I just don't think the room liked MLTL cabinets . If they always sounded like that, I would definitely cut them down to a bookshelf and run a sub.

As far as the mids/highs go on the Blues, I voiced mine for MP3 playback because I use them in my garage, so what you're saying about the tweeter actually makes sense. I made the tweeter a teeny bit hotter to try to make up some of what I think gets lost in the MP3 compression. The original design, and the kit you get from Meniscus isn't voiced that way, it has the original crossover in it. But it is very subtle, not a very big change. I also sharpened the mids a tiny bit, so I'm curious what you mean by "murky" in the mid section, I always thought that was where they shined a bit. If I understand what you're saying by murky, that might be characteristic of the L6-4R woofer.

[bkeane1259]

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Many thanks to Adam for putting together a great house track demo.

Here's the tracklist and link:

1. GoGo Penguin – Hopopono
2. Mad Season - I’m Above
3. Rusted Root - Send Me On My Way
4. Peter Frampton - Ida Y Vuelta (Out And Back)
5. The Cardigans - Duece

https://app.box.com/s/kn00pjaicseg6nfzj2ve

[[email protected]]

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I had an excellent time in Louisville, despite my lack of sleep. I want to say thanks to Eric Woodring for putting on a great show, and to Tim and FirstBuild for providing a uniquely synergistic venue for a DIY speaker event. It was a pleasure to demonstrate my Origin 6 speakers (PS220-8) and to hear so many other creative and well thought out designs. I was also happy to be able to provide part of the front end electronics for the event (though from the sound of it Craig K had some equipment there that was on the same or a higher level than what I brought, just in their hotel room the night before), and I also want to say thanks to Mark for opening his home to us and serving up some really top-notch pulled pork, and letting us stay late. I wish I hadn't already ruined my appetite earlier with a bit of road food. Thanks to Ben and Chuck for splitting the hotel room with me and defraying the cost, and I was sorry Matt B couldn't make it. Lastly, thanks for not making too much fun of me for falling asleep in the afternoon after the pizza lunch.

I look forward to being able to attend and support this show, in this venue and with these people (including all y'all), in the future.

[4thtry]

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Pics added to the Kentucky 2014 archive on the MAC site. We'll be adding videos and some other multi-media content later this week. Need to render all the GoPro stuff.

Enjoy!

http://www.midwestaudioclub.com/even...ive/kydiy2014/

Great looking set of pictures, Bryan! Looks like that venue had
very good indoor lighting. I noticed a long bank of lights
along the ceiling, did anyone ask what kind of lights those
were? Color balance is excellent.

Bill