Dayton RS28F vs SB Satori TW29R - any direct comparisons and verdicts?

[bill poster]

I know in the US theres a huge difference in price
In the uk and asia not so .. around 65gbp for the RS28F and only slightly more for the TW29R

Both get great reviews but they are quite different designwise.
I've never seen a 'head to head' contest
Ie which is the most detailed etc.
Regarding off axis response, the Dayton certainly looks better. The fs of both is really low but not much info on a lowest x/o point for the Satori

Look forward to any comments
thanks

[Jeff B.]

Re: Dayton RS28F vs SB Satori TW29R - any direct comparisons and verdicts?

I know in the US theres a huge difference in price
In the uk and asia not so .. around 65gbp for the RS28F and only slightly more for the TW29R

Both get great reviews but they are quite different designwise.
I've never seen a 'head to head' contest
Ie which is the most detailed etc.
Regarding off axis response, the Dayton certainly looks better. The fs of both is really low but not much info on a lowest x/o point for the Satori

Look forward to any comments
thanks

I've said this a number of times in discussions about my Kairos, but the Satori can cross lower naturally (without the aid of waveguide) than any other tweeter I have used (The Revelator 9900 may be in the same league here though). It's ability to do this with shallow slopes and still sound wonderful is amazing. I haven't tried this with the RS series. I have crossed them low, but not quite as shallow. They sound different to me too, and I think the Satori sounds more natural and its top end airiness seems more correctly balanced. (But I even prefer the RS28a over the f too, so that's can be about personal preferences). They both have very low distortion in their operating range. The RS28's is a littler lower, but both are nearly nonexistent for what it's worth. The Satori has higher sensitivity and sometimes that's important too. In just plain listening, I would probably take the Satori every time, but that's just my personal preference. Someone else may pick them the other way around.

Jeff

[bill poster]

Re: Dayton RS28F vs SB Satori TW29R - any direct comparisons and verdicts?

Leaning towards the satori but I guess the best way is buy a pair each and see what I like best!

Thanks for your comments.

[johnnyrichards]

Re: Dayton RS28F vs SB Satori TW29R - any direct comparisons and verdicts?

Can't go wrong with either I guess, but I really liked what I heard from the Kairos. Liked them a lot.

[bill poster]

Re: Dayton RS28F vs SB Satori TW29R - any direct comparisons and verdicts?

Thanks. Last query; if stepping up to something like a SS (spike)ring radiator or Transducer Lab ceramic, is there a noticeable difference in sound quality?

[craigk]

Re: Dayton RS28F vs SB Satori TW29R - any direct comparisons and verdicts?

Thanks. Last query; if stepping up to something like a SS (spike)ring radiator or Transducer Lab ceramic, is there a noticeable difference in sound quality?

yes

[Pete Schumacher]

Re: Dayton RS28F vs SB Satori TW29R - any direct comparisons and verdicts?

Thanks. Last query; if stepping up to something like a SS (spike)ring radiator or Transducer Lab ceramic, is there a noticeable difference in sound quality?

Direct comparisons between the T-labs and 28F in my experience is pretty much night and day. The T-labs has more definition, just plain clearer high end than the RS28F. Like Jeff, I prefer the 28A over the 28F. There's just more "there" with the A over the F even if the F has a more extended top end. Other adjectives of the A over F would be that the A seems to have more meat to it, better grunt and a crisper sound. The T-labs, to me, is even a step up from the 28A, but the 28A gives you more options for lower crossover point and shallower slopes than the T-labs ceramic. If you know you're crossing at 1500Hz or higher, I'd lean toward the T-labs.

At that price point you might consider the Aurum Cantus AST2560, a really nice AMT that can cross at 2KHz no problem.

[bill poster]

Re: Dayton RS28F vs SB Satori TW29R - any direct comparisons and verdicts?

I have a pair of 2560's waiting for me in Bangkok..suppose its hard to compare these to the TLabs, v different sound I suppose.

Would the preference for the 28A over F be partly down to system matching? Im guessing lower budget kit might work better with the silk dome

[Jim Holtz]

Re: Dayton RS28F vs SB Satori TW29R - any direct comparisons and verdicts?

I have a pair of 2560's waiting for me in Bangkok..suppose its hard to compare these to the TLabs, v different sound I suppose.

Would the preference for the 28A over F be partly down to system matching? Im guessing lower budget kit might work better with the silk dome

Hi Bill,

I'm one of the folks that have never cared for the sound of RS28A's and much prefer the "F". Disclaimer; I'm not a fan of metal dome tweeters in general for their "meaty" sound which I can't correlate to anything from a live performance. The RS28A's are "dead sounding" on top due to their roll off and really stand out for their metal sound, IMHO. Seas 27TDFC or 27TFF are also excellent sounding soft dome tweeters along with the renamed Scan Discovery soft domes that were labeled Peerless HDS.

This is very subjective and I obviously prefer soft vs metal domes. Soft domes sound more natural to me. FWIW.... YMMV.

Jim

[Wolf]

Re: Dayton RS28F vs SB Satori TW29R - any direct comparisons and verdicts?

I also feel the Satori and TLabs are a step-up, but I also prefer the A over the F. The A does not have a metallic or metal sound to it at all.

Later,
Wolf

[craigk]

Re: Dayton RS28F vs SB Satori TW29R - any direct comparisons and verdicts?

but I also prefer the A over the F. The A does not have a metallic or metal sound to it at all.

Later,
Wolf

it is strange, but I think the F has more "sizzle" at the top compared to the A. just prefer the A.

[isaeagle4031]

Re: Dayton RS28F vs SB Satori TW29R - any direct comparisons and verdicts?

Oh it definitely does. Works out in a waveguide though.

[filmslayer]

Re: Dayton RS28F vs SB Satori TW29R - any direct comparisons and verdicts?

it is strange, but I think the F has more "sizzle" at the top compared to the A. just prefer the A.

i agree , the F raises last octave and the A don't . FWIW , I have 4 Fs in my system ...

[craigk]

Re: Dayton RS28F vs SB Satori TW29R - any direct comparisons and verdicts?

i agree , the F raises last octave and the A don't . FWIW , I have 4 Fs in my system ...

this makes me feel better that some one else also hears this. at my age it is good to know that I am not just hearing things.

[filmslayer]

Re: Dayton RS28F vs SB Satori TW29R - any direct comparisons and verdicts?

this makes me feel better that some one else also hears this. at my age it is good to know that I am not just hearing things.

in building my system my co-designer built with A versions of the Ps i built with ... they're all very interchangeable with minor tweaks ...