Continuum vs. Kairos vs. Adelphos vs. Solstice

[Pallas]

Continuum vs. Kairos vs. Adelphos vs. Solstice

In all the testing I've done front mounted sounded significantly "better".

Josh Ricci did an interesting experiment comparing a sub with one driver to one with dual opposed drivers. He found that rotating the single driver sub resulted in very different room interactions depending on the firing direction. The DO sub was quite consistent though.

[bigfishe]

Re: Continuum vs. Kairos vs. Adelphos vs. Solstice

I'm hoping this can be used forward facing?

[woodsart]

Re: Continuum vs. Kairos vs. Adelphos vs. Solstice

I'm hoping this can be used forward facing?

I am thinking mine will be on the side! Depending on what Jeff says!

[Jeff B.]

Re: Continuum vs. Kairos vs. Adelphos vs. Solstice

I'm hoping this can be used forward facing?

Everyone is getting ahead of themselves. I will explain my thinking and give several options in the write up. I tested front and side mounted, simply rotating the module. I measured no significant difference on axis either way. There will be several approved build options. Just be patient. (writing from the vacation house on lake Michigan. we really scored on this place. It's beautiful.)

[Jeff B.]

Re: Continuum vs. Kairos vs. Adelphos vs. Solstice

Given the reasons you stated for choosing the 200Hz crossover point, it's actually quite serendipitous - in the past I have put a lot of thought/testing/analysis into the "low woofer" crossover frequency to the mid, in the end for me it came down to: primarily considering the compromise between maximizing floor bounce cancellation and not exceeding an acceptable threshold of localization of the sound source to the low woofer.



In all the testing I've done front mounted sounded significantly "better".



Bwahahahaa - Jeff, this is MORE of a subwoofer than what MOST people own, that they call their subwoofer. The CSS SDX-10 is a beastly subwoofer. Perhaps you are "technically" correct.

I would say "this is not suitable as an ULF Military grade crowd control device" rather than "this is not a subwoofer". ;)

I explain my logic in the write-up, but based on the way the word "subwoofer" is typically used these days is why I chose to call this a "woofer". What do you call the bottom of Wilson Sophia? Most people call that a woofer. This speaker is no different in my opinion.

[bigfishe]

Re: Continuum vs. Kairos vs. Adelphos vs. Solstice

Pics or it didn't happen ;-D

[woodsart]

Re: Continuum vs. Kairos vs. Adelphos vs. Solstice

Glad you are having a great time, Jeff.

[critofur]

Re: Continuum vs. Kairos vs. Adelphos vs. Solstice

"...measured response of side vs forward facing [low] woofers..." - hmm well yes, measurements should be more sensitive than our ears. But, I would still like to know other folks opinion on the sound after listening to them both ways. Casual test results where you are not doing blind testing, and there is some delay between listening while the speakers are being adjusted, may not be all that scientifically valid, but, possibly interesting none-the-less... Might I suggest measurements taken from the listening position when evaluating front vs side mounted options? (Perhaps you had already done so)

I explain my logic in the write-up, but based on the way the word "subwoofer" is typically used these days is why I chose to call this a "woofer". What do you call the bottom of Wilson Sophia? Most people call that a woofer. This speaker is no different in my opinion.

Oh, well yes, it is reasonable to call it a "woofer". But... I still wouldn't say "it's not a subwoofer", particularly since I have one of these beastly "woofers". Hmm, I maybe I'd say "using a subwoofer with a smooth and extended frequency response as a low woofer, practically eliminating the need for subwoofers when the speakers are used in a music application other than for the purpose of using multiple subs in attempt to address room nodes"?

Certainly see potential the finished combination resulting in "full range" speakers with deep and satisfying bass with the added benefit of significant reduction in floor bounce cancellation.

[DearSX]

Re: Continuum vs. Kairos vs. Adelphos vs. Solstice

I wonder if anyone will offer a flat pack for the woofer. Just to make my life easier. I am still working on the getting the Kairos cabinet finished, even though Richidoo gave me an almost complete cabinet . I think it really needs the bass of the woofer and a good room to put it in. Thank you Jeff for working on this! Thanks Richidoo for the cabinets!
Thanks Zaph for the data on the satori and SB, thank you Dan Wiggins for the woofers!

[woodsart]

Re: Continuum vs. Kairos vs. Adelphos vs. Solstice

I wonder if anyone will offer a flat pack for the woofer. Just to make my life easier. I am still working on the getting the Kairos cabinet finished, even though Richidoo gave me an almost complete cabinet . I think it really needs the bass of the woofer and a good room to put it in. Thank you Jeff for working on this! Thanks Richidoo for the cabinets!
Thanks Zaph for the data on the satori and SB, thank you Dan Wiggins for the woofers!

DearSX, did you use the slanted or straight baffle?

Great guys on this forum!!

Robert

[bigfishe]

Re: Continuum vs. Kairos vs. Adelphos vs. Solstice

Hi!

[woodsart]

Re: Continuum vs. Kairos vs. Adelphos vs. Solstice

Hi!

I just heard a pin drop!!!!!.......:p

[vnowinski]

Re: Continuum vs. Kairos vs. Adelphos vs. Solstice

Have the designs been posted to Meniscus (assuming not)?

[woodsart]

Re: Continuum vs. Kairos vs. Adelphos vs. Solstice

Have the designs been posted to Meniscus (assuming not)?

Jeff is still working on them.

Mark at Meniscus will post as soon as he has heard from jeff.

Robert

[Jeff B.]

Re: Continuum vs. Kairos vs. Adelphos vs. Solstice

Have the designs been posted to Meniscus (assuming not)?

I finished the three-way with the SDX10 and Continuum, and Kairos. However, after listening I may try another woofer with the Kairos. The Continuum - SDX10 combo will be posted soon.

I really wanted to do a full write-up for these and explain my logic and where options can be made, but I am not sure how likely it is that this will happen now. I will try though; hopefully, it will work out.

I have been facing some personal challenges lately. I still want to finish what I am working on, but then I think I will take a break from speaker building and from the forum for few months. Hopefully, it won't take me too long to get on top again.

Jeff