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  • Re: IowaDIY 2015 - October 24th, Grinnell, Iowa

    Hi Bryan,

    Glad to see you got that Christian McBride "Out Here" album. It's outstanding!

    Matthew

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    • Re: IowaDIY 2015 - October 24th, Grinnell, Iowa

      Archive page slowly being built.....look for more content later in the week. Have a lot of video to render.

      As always - a huge thank you to Bill S. (4thtry) for his awesome shots!!


      http://www.midwestaudioclub.com/even...ive/iowa-2015/
      Bryan K.

      Midwest Audio Club

      Speedster | Sub Attachť | The Wildeman | Sean's NLA Towers | CO‹GAR, COUGAR II and CO‹GAR JR | Triton | Lithium | J-Boom | Trym MLTL | Docere MLTL

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      • Re: IowaDIY 2015 - October 24th, Grinnell, Iowa

        This was my first DIY event, even though I've been designing speakers on/off since 1999.

        Just a few thoughts:

        1) The event was a lot of fun, I was shocked by the door prizes. Without a design to show, I won a mic to improve my designs.

        2) Really impressed by the cabinet making capability of all involved. Many of you put more work into a set than I imagined possible.

        3) For me the highlight was the Linehopper. I really enjoyed this speaker even though I tend to favor 3-ways. Low-end was spot on, and dispersion/treble matched well.

        4) My other highlight was hearing an Allison Krauss song I've never heard before. OH and all the Jethro tull Friday night

        5) My ears wore out long before we got to the bookshelf speakers. Need to work on stamina.

        Again thanks for all the effort,

        Scott P.

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        • Re: IowaDIY 2015 - October 24th, Grinnell, Iowa

          Thanks to MAC for a great event and for helping us have a great vacation :D
          My Statement monitors
          My Piccolatas
          My LM3886 amp

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          • Re: IowaDIY 2015 - October 24th, Grinnell, Iowa

            Originally posted by martyh View Post
            You know what I miss? The post-event reviews, that's what.

            Some of you guys take terrific notes during the event and I'd love to hear your thoughts on the builds, the goals each designer had in mind and if they were achieved. That feedback can be entertaining, enlightening, and even useful to the designer too. It would be great to get that type of feedback going again.
            I think the topic of critique is a very interesting topic and something that should be discussed. The thing I see is that people come to these events with very different goals. One can't simply assume that the person bringing a build wants hard critical feedback on their design. In fact for some people it can be unwelcome. On the other hand, people like me thirst for it. We love to get the good, bad, and indifferent opinions on a design. Ultimately there is no easy universal system that can accommodate everyone's wishes at any event. Encouraging critical feedback openly may even discourage some people from attending a event. When this happens I feel the event loses the positive impact of that person's presence. I suppose what I've driving at is that this is a very complex issue and not something to take half-measures in addressing.

            What I find in these open, 'no official feedback', events is that the people that thrive on feedback seek it out. I relate my own story of critique at Iowa for example. I had the chance to get several comments on my Lucent speaker at Iowa for example. Did I have to solicit that commentary? Sure. Is that really a problem? I don't think so. I mention this too because I feel it is a perfect example of how these comments can be fruitful. I got comments from Nate (pknaz) that the bass was muddy on my build, and that something might be going on in the midrange from Scott (ScottS) when I asked for feedback. Later at home I was able to locate the issue after listening for what they heard (in this case the foam baffle insert in front of the woofer is resonating and adding what might be perceived as mud). Would I have discovered this issue myself? Most likely. As quickly? Very unlikely. (I'm still thinking about your sparkle comment CraigK!)

            Ultimately I'd like to see events where designers are given the option to have listening impression 'cards' on their speakers with the speaker name, that one could fill out and leave in a box. After the event closes that box would be sorted and cards returned to the designers with feedback, a simple anonymous system. Does anyone else feel this is worth the effort? I don't know.

            My two cents.
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            • Re: IowaDIY 2015 - October 24th, Grinnell, Iowa

              Seems we did something like this long ago. I would have no objection.
              I know some of my speakers are pleasing to some. I'm not sure what could take me to the next step if there is one. I suspect there is.
              Perhaps I will never graduate to the next level. My brain will only let me understand so deep.
              As long as I find enjoyment, I will continue to try.
              Last edited by [email protected]; 11-08-2015, 05:53 PM.
              " To me, the soundstage presentation is more about phase and distortion and less about size. However, when you talk about bass extension, there's no replacement for displacement". Tyger23. 4.2015

              Quote Originally Posted by hongrn. Oct 2014
              Do you realize that being an American is like winning the biggest jackpot ever??

              http://www.midwestaudioclub.com/spot...owell-simpson/
              http://s413.photobucket.com/albums/pp216/arlis/

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              • Re: IowaDIY 2015 - October 24th, Grinnell, Iowa

                Originally posted by JasonP View Post
                Ultimately I'd like to see events where designers are given the option to have listening impression 'cards' on their speakers with the speaker name, that one could fill out and leave in a box. After the event closes that box would be sorted and cards returned to the designers with feedback, a simple anonymous system. Does anyone else feel this is worth the effort? I don't know.

                My two cents.
                I think this is a great idea Jason!
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                • Re: IowaDIY 2015 - October 24th, Grinnell, Iowa

                  Originally posted by Derekj View Post
                  I think this is a great idea Jason!
                  Me three.
                  " To me, the soundstage presentation is more about phase and distortion and less about size. However, when you talk about bass extension, there's no replacement for displacement". Tyger23. 4.2015

                  Quote Originally Posted by hongrn. Oct 2014
                  Do you realize that being an American is like winning the biggest jackpot ever??

                  http://www.midwestaudioclub.com/spot...owell-simpson/
                  http://s413.photobucket.com/albums/pp216/arlis/

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                  • Re: IowaDIY 2015 - October 24th, Grinnell, Iowa

                    Originally posted by Derekj View Post
                    I think this is a great idea Jason!
                    Something like this?

                    Jim
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                    • Re: IowaDIY 2015 - October 24th, Grinnell, Iowa

                      Originally posted by Jim Holtz View Post
                      Something like this?

                      Jim
                      Yep
                      " To me, the soundstage presentation is more about phase and distortion and less about size. However, when you talk about bass extension, there's no replacement for displacement". Tyger23. 4.2015

                      Quote Originally Posted by hongrn. Oct 2014
                      Do you realize that being an American is like winning the biggest jackpot ever??

                      http://www.midwestaudioclub.com/spot...owell-simpson/
                      http://s413.photobucket.com/albums/pp216/arlis/

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                      • Re: IowaDIY 2015 - October 24th, Grinnell, Iowa

                        I think an anonymous feedback idea is a good one Jason. I take the feedback you guys give me very seriously, maybe even too seriously.

                        But it's a tricky thing too... For example, John H mentioned that I should pad my mid n tweet a tad cuz while he though the bass sounded good, to him it was a touch lean. But others said the bass was fantastic. The differences of opinion were based on seating position, so maybe include a seating position in the feedback? For example... if you had a feedback ballot, maybe have a drawing of the seating area and the person filling the ballot out could circle their seating position.

                        Either way, I had a lot of fun here and it was great seeing you guys again! I think the next event I'm going to where I'll get to hang out again will probably be Axpona or IN, depending on the date for IN. Already looking forward to it
                        "The ability of any system to produce exceptional sound will be limited mainly by the capability of the speakers" Jim Salk
                        "Audio is surely a journey full of revelations as you go" JasonP

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                        • Re: IowaDIY 2015 - October 24th, Grinnell, Iowa

                          When we used to do the feedback forms it quickly became obvious that seating position and tastes impacted the feedback. However, they're still very useful. I'd suggest discounting the top and bottom 10% - 20% of the forms and then look for common trends in the feedback. If the majority are indicating an imbalance, then it's probably valid and worth a look.

                          Another positive side effect is filling out the forms tends to focus the audience on listening instead of side conversations that distract those that are trying to seriously listen.

                          The other thing to keep in mind, the room impacts the sound greatly so that has to be considered when looking at feedback.

                          My $0.02 worth....

                          Jim

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                          • Re: IowaDIY 2015 - October 24th, Grinnell, Iowa

                            Originally posted by Derekj View Post
                            I think this is a great idea Jason!
                            I agree. I find this type of feedback helpful on where I can improve as a designer.
                            Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with Windows.

                            We are passionate about great sound at whatever level we can afford, so don't let the audio atheists reduce the experience to a set of numbers and squiggly lines. - jbruner

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                            • Re: IowaDIY 2015 - October 24th, Grinnell, Iowa

                              Sorry I've been absent, folks. Life gets in the way sometimes. I think most if not everyone knows my deal right now but I won't bore you with details here. I'm working on the videos.....they will eventually be posted and the archive page will be updated. For now I will leave y'all with this cute clip from Lowell (Arlis), featuring the always lovely Mrs. JR.

                              Bryan K.

                              Midwest Audio Club

                              Speedster | Sub Attachť | The Wildeman | Sean's NLA Towers | CO‹GAR, COUGAR II and CO‹GAR JR | Triton | Lithium | J-Boom | Trym MLTL | Docere MLTL

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                              • Re: IowaDIY 2015 - October 24th, Grinnell, Iowa

                                Gentlemen,

                                I never meant this to use as a way to shred someones work, but instead as a way to enhance the experience. I remember stuff like 'Wow, Bob paired the GD73's with a TRF42 in an MTM and it sounded great!' That's what I liked reading, certainly not 'Gordons monster 4-way stunk up the joint'. We recapped designs and implementations, told stories about off-hour activities, swapped beer reviews and used it as a way to extend the party and retain the energy. It was beneficial and inspiring stuff.

                                And yes Mr. Holtz, your critique form is exactly what I was thinking too! (FWIW, it was Iowa 2010 where I filled a bunch of those forms in and mindlessly stuffed them in my backpack so they never got back to the designer - Doh!)

                                Marty

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