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  • monkish54
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    Re: How to Train Your PM180-8

    Pete,

    How low is it crossed in your Vapor offering?

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  • Pete Schumacher
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    Originally posted by fatmarley View Post
    Do Scanspeak have a patent for the slit cone? I think that slit cones were used on a commercial product before Scanspeak.
    You could be right. Still, adding that step to the process would just drive costs up for limited benefit. Yeah, it looks better above 2KHz, but you wouldn't use it up there anyway.

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  • fatmarley
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    Originally posted by Face View Post
    The PM220 could also use these mods.
    Was thinking that myself. Not sure if I'd have the courage to risk it though...

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  • fatmarley
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    not to mention running into patent problems with the slit cone.
    Do Scanspeak have a patent for the slit cone? I think that slit cones were used on a commercial product before Scanspeak.

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  • Pete Schumacher
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    Originally posted by caleb View Post
    These drivers seem really overpriced at this point. I wonder if the performance before modification justifies the asking price. At this point would you even consider owning these if you were somehow prevented from modifying them?
    If you use it in a "normal" band for a 7" driver, the stock performance is just fine. You don't typically drive a 7" woofer past 2KHz due to off axis directivity problems. So if you focus on the performance below 2KHz, it's really an excellent driver with very low distortion and smooth response. While the mods do improve the performance higher up, doing so will wind up making the driver cost even more, not to mention running into patent problems with the slit cone.

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  • killa
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    Did you test it with just the plug? Wondering which mod had the most affect.

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  • Face
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    The PM220 could also use these mods.

    Awaiting more details.

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  • caleb
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    These drivers seem really overpriced at this point. I wonder if the performance before modification justifies the asking price. At this point would you even consider owning these if you were somehow prevented from modifying them?

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  • jbruner
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    Below we will examine the drivers with crossover in place. Each driver is matched to LR2 acoustic targets at 350 and 2300 hz, just like I would use them in my 3-way. The stock driver takes 4 more components than the modified. Additional notch filters can make the stock driver a little better on-axis, but I kept this test as simple and practical as I felt necessary.

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  • jbruner
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    How to Train Your PM180-8

    The Dayton PM180 is a pretty decent midrange driver, but let's see if a little corporal discipline can make it more civilized.

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    The slit method is described in this thread-Scan-Speek 4" for 49 cents?
    A wooden plug is fitted to the pole piece. Here is before and after on a 11.5" baffle with 1.5" roundovers. On-axis-

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    Blue is original, Red modified. You can see that everything below 2k is the same, which is true for all the measurements to follow, but they will be separated by 10dB for clarity.

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